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The Amazing NATO Terrorism in Libya

Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:58 AM EDT
world-news, europe, united-states, terrorism, france, human-rights, spain, libya, gadaffi, united-nationa, i-nato, qaddaf
By Jesusa Bernardo
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WHERE in the world have you heard of a rebel group putting forth a whooping $1.7 million bounty reward on the head of their nation they are trying to oust? Where did these "rebels" get such a huge amount of assassination reward money? Only in Libya, circa 2011.

How amazingly rich these rebels are! Are they funding themselves? So rich rebels. Why would these rich "rebels" want to topple Muhammar Gadaffi? How did Gadaffi, who has held the reins of Libyan power for decades, allow them to amassa such wealth in the first place if their interests are so diametrically opposed?

Oh, I forgot, these so-called Libyan "rebels" are financial-experts-cum-time-management consultants who were able to wondrously establish their rebel central bank and national oil company, with temporary headquarters in Benghazi, in between attacks and rather early into their 'rebellion.' And they did all these, in between their civil war work without outside help. Right.  NATO backs them militarily but not re the central bank and national oil company. Right. LOL.

So who believes such a ridiculous crap as to the terrorists', ahem, rebels' bounty money being indigenously sourced??? The absurdity of this crap is highlighted even more by  US President Barack Obama's 'slip' of honesty when, with a straight face, he told the American public that the invasion, alright, "war" in Libya is to the U.S.' "strategic interest."

Needless to say, everyone who knows, or thinks sanely enough is aware that the "rebels" are doing but a lame front for the real rebels, I mean, terrorists, I mean, imperialists, I mean, aggressors, whatever--the member countries of the powerful NATO bloc, of course.

 

What Happened to the Western European Countries?

In the past, the Bald Eagle nation also exhibited aggression against Libya. This was of course in 1986 when the U.S. launched Operation El Dorado Canyon against the West African country in retaliation for the bombing of the La Belle disco club in West Berlin that killed 2 and wounded 80 American servicemen, among others. At that time--the closing years of the Cold War--it is no secret that Gadaffi used to engage in terrorist acts against the U.S. and its allies.

What is baffling is that back then in contrast to the now, the NATO member countries then did not seem to engage in wanton disregard of the sovereignty of less powerful nations, even going to the point of not accommodating the U.S. This explains why France and Spain refused to permit the Bald Eagle from using their airspace in launching the airs strikes against the cities of Tripoli and Benghazi.

Operation El Dorado, incidentally, killed 37 people, including the adopted daugher of Gadaffi, and wounded some 100 others. The Sidi Bala naval base and Gadaffi's personal compound were at least partially destroyed therein.

Comparing NATO today, with its despicable unlawful aggression--not at all anything like the 'humanitarian' mission as stated in the U.N. resolution--against a sovereign nation that is Libya, and NATO (minus US & UK) during the 1980s one gets to be stupefied by its diametrically opposed policies.

In other words, there is great illogic in Europe's current participation in the criminal mission of deposing Gaddafi and its stance during Operation El Dorado. It is as if the NATO of today evolved to become a predatory alliance that respects no longer sovereignty but instead engages in terroristic interference or some collective genocidal-level neo-colonial schemes.

 

Gadaffi's Been A Very Good Guy

If such is not the case, how come they've decided to discredit and depose Gadaffi at a time when he has turned his back on terrorism? In fact, Gadaffi was the first world leader to condemn Al Qaeda as a terrorist group in the early part of the 2000s. Not only that, the Libyan leader has even adopted progressive or humanitarian policies in the domestic and international arenas such that he was even scheduled to receive a humanitarian award from no less than the Human Rights Council of the United Nations March of this year. He was to be cited for his human rights record, including his stand on women's and gay rights, his opposition to the more oppressive features of Islamic sharia law, and his record on religious and ethnic tolerance and social inclusion.

The UN Human Rights Council working group report released on January 4, 2011 virtually serves as a glowing praise of Qaddafi's leadership in Human Rights. (Unexpectedly, the award was shelved when the United Nations suspended Libya from its membership in the UN HR Council following the rather infamous Resolution). Additionally, it is worth noting that based on human development indicators, Libya Arab Jamarihiya has been many notches higher than the rest of the world, much more the Arab states. 

What could possibly account for two contrasting policies of NATO towards Libya a quarter of a century apart? This is assuming that Western countries' claim that Gadaffi engaged in violent suppression of dissent earlier this year is true and such an act equates in gravity to the bombing of the La Belle disco club.

Apparently, there are two major factors impacting on NATO that differed then and now. Back in 1986, there was still a balance of power in the world. One, there was NATO and there was WARSAW, the Soviet communist alliance, set in the great international context of the Cold War. Today, the communist bloc is no more, leaving only NATO as just about the only powerful alliance in this world, leaving the Western bloc free to flex its bully, nuclear-armed muscles.

Two, Western economies ain't like what it used to be. The leader of the NATO bloc, the U.S., along with the countries in the Euro zone, is in HUGE public debt crisis. Plagued by the continuing, if not worsening, global economic and financial crisis, the neoliberal economies of NATO are in dire straits. So dire thay they're so desperate to get hold of oil and Libya's other economic resources? The uncanny haste and financial and time management 'rebel' skills in putting up the Libyan rebel central bank and national oil company ring a bell?

Now, don't these two factors explain well how most Western European nations could behave so politically correct during the US/UK's Operation El Dorado in contrast to their criminal conspiratorial invasion today? One can reason that back in the 1980s, there was no ek-ek UN resolution for aggression against Libya. Ah, wasn't the controversial UN  resolution limited to 'humanitarian' mission and not aggression, not airstrikes against civilian targets in Libya?

 

What Happened to the Western Media?

As stupefying as the discrepancy between NATO's 1986 and 2011 policies on aggression is the stark contrast in the Libyan war coverage by the Western and more independent non-Western media. Case in point: Libya has supposedly been "free" for days, if not a week or more.

If you'll ask the Western media--AP, BBC, CNN, Reuters, AFP, and even Al-Jazeera, which is financed by the proWestern Qatar Emir-- they mouth stories of Gadaffi being down and out of power. If one asks the Russian news agency Pravda, these 'news' reports form loads of Western media lies, inconsistency, and theatrics.

Western headlines has protractedly been screaming of Gadaffi’s fall and the success of the NATO-backed terrorists, ahem, “rebels.” As of a several days ago:

AP: “Libyan rebels: Key city, oil terminal seized”
Reuters: “Libya rebels strategic town (Zawiyah) near Triopli”
Agence France Presse (AFP: “Fighting erupts in Tripoli as rebels say regime is doomed.”

These Western reports are so opposed to those of Pravda:

However, as reported to Pravda.Ru by Libyan Armed Forces captain Hasan D., “Tripoli is still in our hands. When early reports of the assault and landing of the enemy emerged, our leader Muammar Gadaffii arrived wearing his military uniform, and his appearance caused unprecedented enthusiasm among the soldiers and the people. He ordered us to beat the rats and their Western backers. By the morning we partially drove them out of the city, partially destroyed, despite the fact that NATO aircraft are almost constantly hanging in the air, bombing residential neighborhoods. Hospitals are overwhelmed with the wounded. The West is committing a heinous crime, murdering women and children. According to the information received, approximately two thousand civilians were killed. We were able to shot down a helicopter that crashed off the coast. Now the military and militias are killing off the “rats” and foreign fighters on the outskirts of Tripoli.

The Libyan rebellion and supposed obtaining success of the NATO-backed terrorists, ah, rebels,  are but Western show and media manipulation, says Russian and certain independent media entities. As quoted in the column of  Filipino columnist Herman Tiu-Laurel, RT (Russian cable news) reports that the biased and/or largely false Western media reports are meant to sow panic among the Libyan people:

“Independent journalist says…‘The only gunfire that we are hearing is celebratory gunfire,’ she said. ‘And the only explosions that we are hearing are Nato air strikes or Natp sound bombs, which are clearly designed to create a sense of panic in… Tripoli.’ Phelan said that the Libyan rebels created fake footage of themselves in Zawiyah and Tripoli, and were aided in disseminating the footage by, among other media outlets, Al Jazeera. The Qatar-based satellite television station… has been at the center of the media conspiracy against Libya. The Western mainstream media, she continued, in turn picked up these reports and repeated them, creating a sense of panic among the Libyan people. Later… a number of armed gangs emerged… sleeper cells of rebels… (which) began firing randomly and threatening ordinary people… ‘They then took footage of the empty streets, which created the sense that they were in the process of capturing the city.’”

There have been too many things off, inaccurate, questionably and, simply, fishy in the Libya news of the supposedly big and reputable Western media entities. They reported that Khamis, one of Gadaffi's sons, has died--not once but twice; that Gadaffi was on the run only for the Libyan leader to later show himself on TV; that Tripoli was free only to back off and come up with some edits in the latest fresh "news." Pravda and some others reported something else--and also talked of independent reporters being threatened and even hurt/killed.

To illustrate how logically maddening Western media's coverage of Libya invasion, I mean, 'rebellion,' has been: as of a few days ago, when I checked on the world news, AP photos screamed of caption saying Tripoli has been taken by ther rebels and Libya 'liberated.' The afternoon of the same day, BBC's report was several degrees regressive--"Defiant Gadaffi vows to fight on." Gee, I thought the Libyan strongman's down and toppled?

Even before NATO's hopefully final airstrikes on Gadaffi's compound, I already anticipated something to that effect. I feared that NATO will engage in some massive bombing as a final phase in part to cover up the Pravda-reported lies with regards the rebels' general defeat in ground fighting. Wasn't I right?

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References:

Bancroft-Hinchey, Timothy. Bastards! Another NATO precision terrorist strike. 26 June 2011.
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/21-06-2011/118275-bastards_nato-0/

Battle of Tripoli: Separating Fantasy from Facts. Pravda. http://english.pravda.ru/world/africa/24-08-2011/118841-tripoli_truth-0/

Gaddafi: Africa’s biggest Blessing and the West’s biggest Threat – explained by Minister Farrakhan. http://eccleza.wordpress.com/2011/08/13/gadhafi-africas-biggest-blessing-and-the-wests-biggest-threat-explained-by-minister-farrakhan/

Kadhafi forces fight back as reward offered for strongman. The Daily Tribune. 08/26/2011. http://www.tribuneonline.org/headlines/20110826hed3.html

Libya: Country profile of human development indicators. http://hdrstats.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/LBY.html

Libya: Flights of fiction and fantasy. Pravda. http://english.pravda.ru/world/africa/23-08-2011/118817-libya_truth-0/

NATO’S planned bloodbath in Tripoli. Pravda. http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/23-08-2011/118833-nato_bloodbath_tripoli-0/

NATOwood Libya production a total FLOP. Pravda. http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/23-08-2011/118838-NATOwood_Libya_production_a_total_FLOP-0/

Silke, Andrew. Terrorists, victims, and society: psychological perspectives on terrorism and its consequences. John Wiley and Sons, 2003

Tiu-Laurel, Herman. “Of ‘ratings’ and ‘news’ agencies.” The Daily Tribune. 22 August. 2011. http://www.tribuneonline.org/commentary/20110822com5.html

Sison, Joma. PUBLIC DEBT CRISIS WORSENS GLOBAL DEPRESSION AND FURTHER INFLAMES PEOPLES’ RESISTANCE. http://www.josemariasison.org/?p=8575#more-8575

UNHRC. Report of the Working Group of the Universal Periodic Review: Libyan Arab Jamahiriya. 4 January 2011. http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/16session/A-HRC-16-15.pdf

Varner, Bill. Libyan Rebel Council Forms Oil Company to Replace Qaddafi’s. 22 March 2011. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-21/libyan-rebel-council-sets-up-oil-company-to-replace-qaddafi-s.html

Wow That Was Fast! Libyan Rebels Have Already Established A New Central Bank Of Libya. http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/wow-that-was-fast-libyan-rebels-have-already-established-a-new-central-bank-of-libya

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Jesusa Bernardo

this world, this world, has become a predator-dog-eat-smaller-dog world. without the soviet bloc to balance nato, the western alliance has become a bullying, murderous force.

Check out:

26. Mga Tanong Po. http://mgatanongpo.tumblr.com/post/9211783013/26-alam-nyo-ba-na-nagpamalas-na-rin-ng

28. Mga Tanong Po. http://mgatanongpo.tumblr.com/post/9338339719/28-alam-nyo-bang-nakakaloka-ang-pagkakaiba-ng

Condemning the US, Nato & Puppet Forces for Barbaric Attacks on the Libyan People


  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:08 AM EDT
MeanGene-3334839

Funny, you didn't mention Lockerbie. Do you remember the damned despicable terrorist named Abdelbasset al Megrahi? The "Lockerbie Bomber" who lied about being terminally ill and came home to a hero's welcome in Tripoli, sponsored by that murderous terrorism-sponsoring bastard Ghadafy?

Payback, as they say, is a bitch. We should have nuked Libya for even thinking of granting Abdelbasset al Megrahi asylum. Our best shot at getting Abdelbasset al Megrahi extradited to the USA for the violent murders on Pan Am Flight 103 is to appeal to the rebels to find his ass and gift wrap it with a pink bow and a note reading "THANK YOU AMERICANS!"

Two US Senators have called for the extradition of this terrorist, this creep coddled by Ghadafy. This is why I'm all for the destruction of Libya. If we have to kill a million Libyans a day to get at the Lockerbie Bomber then so be it. They started this fight.

  • 2 votes
#2 - Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:45 AM EDT
Askari

MeanGene, would you feel the same way if nations that the US has terrorized/occupied had the means to destroy us and went about doing so?

What sick, murderous thoughts you have that make you no better than the Lockerbie Bomber.

  • 3 votes
#2.1 - Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:24 AM EDT
MeanGene-3334839

The USA is the only morally fit nation on Earth. We have the right to kill any other nation which fails to live up to the standards we set because they suck.

Look at the horror of Obama. The man is a damned useless Muslim Communist, but Americans have hope of getting rid of the bastard child of a drunk father next year! Even if the Hip-Hop President gets re-elected (by fraud, I'm sure) the hated and despicable son of a Kenyan will definitely be checking out of office by 2016.

    #2.2 - Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:50 AM EDT
    Jesusa Bernardo

    gee, following your vile, morbid immorality logic that sucks, for your advocacy of genocide, MeanGene-3334839, almost everyone here at newsvine has the right to kill you and your kind. lol.

    by the way, what american standards of morality are you talking about? the slavery institutionalized, though euphemistically, in your original charter? or the sexism that only allowed women to vote after many decades or some 1 1/2 century of struggle? or is it the 'morality' to invade, wage aggressions against sovereign states based on WMD, al qaeda link.of saddam' lies? or the use of chemical orange in vietnam. or water torture and hamletting during the phil-am war?

    • 5 votes
    #2.3 - Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:40 PM EDT
    Jesusa Bernardo

    agree with every word you wrote, Askari.

    • 1 vote
    #2.4 - Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:42 PM EDT
    Askari

    Jesusa, thank you for writing this piece! Unfortunately, there are a lot of folks like MeanGene who call for genocide as a response to genocide. That just leaves the world with dead people. It is tragic that everyday citizens who know NOTHING of war personally are the ones who do the cheerleading from the safety of their computer desk inside of the even safer confines of the US empire itself.

    Friend request sent. We need more people like you who are seeing what's happening in the world for what it is...planetary enslavement and mass murder at the behest of the plutocracy/oligarchy/kleptocracy or whatever nasty hybrid of corrupt puppet government for the corporate sector that we all are being subjected to...

    • 3 votes
    #2.5 - Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:30 PM EDT
    MeanGene-3334839

    Africa is the birthplace of slavery and the only place where slavery continues to exist. Africa is truly a disgusting place, full of savagery and war and Islam.

    No State but the USA has any right to sovereignty. Either those other nations do as we tell them or they get their asses handed to them. This is the USA, the land of GOD ON EARTH and our word is LAW in this world. No other nation has any right to defy the USA. Especially not any nation led by stupid hyperviolent Muslims.

    • 1 vote
    #2.6 - Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:02 AM EDT
    randallratliff

    Africa was not the birthplace of slavery. The Romans owned and controlled half the world or more. they enslaved Billions ...before blacks where enslaved in Africa.

    Goodness. Forget the rest of your comment. The @!$%#in' British are the ones responsible for the continuation of the Roman Ways Go take that @!$%# up with the Queen.

    @!$%#in' bull@!$%#....tired of hearing that.

    For anyone else....Bitter?

    Yes I am! Tired of the race card.Take that race card and shove it up the Queens bloviated ass.

    • 1 vote
    #2.7 - Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:28 AM EDT
    MeanGene-3334839

    @randallratliff, did you know that the Egyptians held slaves before Rome ever existed? Now, would you care to say, loud enough for the whole class to hear you, where Egypt is? This is an open-book test, and you can use a map if you'd like. Here, I'll help...

    The capital city of Cairo has the latitude and longitude positions of 29º52 N and 30º21 E.

    I would be amazed if you can find Cairo in Europe.

    Hell yeah, I'm bitter. I was on a US Navy ship (USS BOONE) when Ghadafy pulled his "Line of Death" crap in the Gulf of Sidra. I was in the Mediterranean at the time and Ghadafy threatened to sink the ship I was serving on. I hope he rots in HELL. It was 1986, I had a front row seat for the whole thing and Khadafy sent gunboats out against US Navy warships enforcing INTERNATIONAL MARITIME LAW. You get 12 miles from your coast as territorial waters, and not an inch more.

    Khadafy is a total moron. He sent three little bitty 26-foot gunboats out to try and kick the ass of a US Navy Cruiser on the open sea. Do you know what happens to 26-foot gunboats attacking an Aegis-Class cruiser? That's like a housecat trying to drive off a lion. They opened fire and got sunk faster than a Kennedy's Oldsmobile. Ghadafy sent those men out to disobey international law and get killed. That's the kind of guy Ghadafy is.

    Moammar Ghadafy tried to kill me. He can go straight to Hell.

      #2.8 - Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:50 AM EDT
      randallratliff

      You wrote:

      @randallratliff, did you know that the Egyptians held slaves before Rome ever existed? Now, would you care to say, loud enough for the whole class to hear you, where Egypt is? This is an open-book test, and you can use a map if you'd like. Here, I'll help...

      The capital city of Cairo has the latitude and longitude positions of 29º52 N and 30º21 E.

      I would be amazed if you can find Cairo in Europe.

      Hell yeah, I'm bitter. I was on a US Navy ship (USS BOONE) when Ghadafy pulled his "Line of Death" crap in the Gulf of Sidra. I was in the Mediterranean at the time and Ghadafy threatened to sink the ship I was serving on. I hope he rots in HELL. It was 1986, I had a front row seat for the whole thing and Khadafy sent gunboats out against US Navy warships enforcing INTERNATIONAL MARITIME LAW. You get 12 miles from your coast as territorial waters, and not an inch more.

      Where do I send the flowers?

      Maybe I can set up an iGoogle Analytic tracker of how many humans go to Google and search........Is my family dead after NATO and America came?

      Then you wrote:

      Moammar Ghadafy tried to kill me.

      Only because you tried to kill everything and everyone first. For a cause that is not of yours mine or any of the men and women you served with.

      My condolences. But it doesn't make it right.

      • 2 votes
      #2.9 - Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:11 AM EDT
      Askari

      MeanGene, your comments display an irrational hatred and ignorance of the African continent. A lot of the chaos in Africa is a DIRECT result of colonial occupation from various European nations (England, France, Belgium, Spain, etc.) as well as mutli-national corporations that CONTINUALLY steal natural resources and exploit/oppress African people to extract those resources. Maybe you forgot that the US supported the South African apartheid. Your misplaced nationalism is going to bite you in the a$$.

      • 3 votes
      #2.10 - Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:43 AM EDT
      MeanGene-3334839

      That's hilarious, saying Africa was fine before the White Man got there.

      Do you know how old the Egyptian pyramids (built with slave labor) are? The Great Pyramid of Giza (near Cairo) was built about 2600 BC, making it about 4,600 years old.

      Do you know how old London is? London was named "Londinium" by the Romans in AD60, making London roughly 2,000 years old.

      In other words, Africa was a hellhole of slave labor, death and strife for TWICE AS LONG AS ENGLAND HAS EXISTED. The PHAROAHS were the original oppressors of World History, long before any multi-national corporations were ever thought of.

      AFRICA IS A HELLHOLE. It's been a hellhole dating back to prehistoric times. The people there have been evil bastards for FIVE THOUSAND YEARS.

      They've more than earned their fate, and if I get one more damned e-mail from some Nigerian crook telling me I need to help the National Nigerian Petroleum Corporation smuggle $18 Million dollars out of the country I'm going over there and blowing Nigeria to Hades myself. I HATE THOSE BASTARDS!

      • 1 vote
      #2.11 - Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:57 AM EDT
      randallratliff

      Your an angry person. You have personal issues. You need to let that hate go. Your headed for a heart attack. Africa wouldn't be a hell hole without the help of many people who don't live in Africa. Right now your biggest concern is your hate. That consumes you like the fame and fortune consumes the rich and powerful. You are sick and need help. Too much military training and killing has turned you into a monster.

      I think if you had a female and treated her this way. you would never ever ever ever ever ever have her lips (any of the three sets) touch your body ever ever ever ever ever everevrevreververfaas;dlghasd;ghasghas;hf AGAIN!

      • 3 votes
      #2.12 - Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:36 PM EDT
      MeanGene-3334839

      I AM NOT ANGRY DAMMIT!! Don't you DARE tell me I'm ANGRY!! I'm perfectly calm, cool and collected, and NOT ANGRY!!!!!!! If I were ANGRY, then you wouldn't like me very much or for very long.

      Damned people telling me I'm angry ticks me off.

      I don't have any females. I don't need the aggravation. I've lived alone for twenty years and that's the way I like it. It's the only way to have decent company.

        #2.13 - Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:17 PM EDT
        abolish taxes

        He's just a troll

        • 4 votes
        #2.14 - Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:52 PM EDT
        Jesusa Bernardo

        my, you're ridiculous, MeanGene-3334839. the pyramids were built using slavery? how old are you? that was taught ages ago and historians revised that fallacious historical info decades back. are you just babbling here or you're simple out of tune with history?

        anyway, the point is that slavery is a sick institution that the original u.s. constitution institutionalized. which, along with its imperialism that killed and has been killing millions, including my filipino freedom-fighters, makes the u.s. morally unfit to "kill every other nation...." goodness.

        • 2 votes
        #2.15 - Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:37 PM EDT
        Jesusa Bernardo

        Askari, thanks so much for your kind words. friend request accepted!

        right about meangene and it's so sad that the world seems ripe with people like him, esp. those coming from the powerful countries as nato members. guess it's turning to be a predator-dog-eat-prey-dog time.

        i can't help but think the world has regressed in terms of valuing human life. is the world becoming inhumane in the games people engage in? you're right about the picture of planetary enslavement and genocide, no thanks to those corporate beasts, that those who ain't still zombie brained can clearly see.

        • 3 votes
        #2.16 - Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:43 PM EDT
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        randallratliff

        meh. Get your seat. Pop your corn. Bring a cup. When the cork finally pops. You'll want a glass.

        Cohesion is not the answer. Chaos is. It is needed to promote the stimulus necessary to preempt human evolution.

          Reply#3 - Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:47 AM EDT
          Jesusa Bernardo

          lol, randallratliff, chaos to preempt human evolution into what??

          • 2 votes
          #3.1 - Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:32 PM EDT
          randallratliff

          heh.... something that isn't this.

            #3.2 - Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:44 PM EDT
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            sceptical-2486196

            When they're rounding them up they shouldn't miss the daughter.

              Reply#4 - Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:48 AM EDT
              Jesusa BernardoDeleted
              Midwestlady

              Power corrupts as absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is a prime example of this power growing and being used in a corrupt manner.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#6 - Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:10 PM EDT
              Jesusa Bernardo

              i'm really thinking, Midwestlady, that the dire economic straits of nato has upped the level of 'badness' of these powerful entities. desperation made them avariciously immoral.

              • 2 votes
              #6.1 - Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:51 PM EDT
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              norman123

              Qaddafi had all these years to transform his country to a cohesive strong nation with all his oil wealth. He instead remained complacent. To a large extent he is to be blamed for his woes.

              Time and tide waits for none.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#8 - Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:26 AM EDT
              Jesusa Bernardo

              are you saying, norman123, that it's khadaffy's fault that nato is bombing libya? i mean, ain't libya coherent? human development indicators say libya is ahead of much of the rest of the world. those rebels or at least part of them were mercenaries without real support from the people. that's why nato had to do the airstrikes.

              • 2 votes
              #8.1 - Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:01 PM EDT
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              paul-662506

              wow. what a pathetic twist on a bunch of facts, and some non-facts. I guess you're entitled to your opinion. Of course....Newsvine is available to Ghaddafi loyalists too. Too bad you lost.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#9 - Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:54 PM EDT
              Jesusa Bernardo

              wow, what pathetically moronic babbling opinion here at newsvine.

              sick sucking logic that anyone who opposes nato terrorism is gadaffi loyalist. LOL, paul-662506 . right, too bad the murderers won. too bad for humanity. predator dogs lording it over. but they can't possibly do it forever. enjoy it amoral minion while it lasts. :)

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              #9.1 - Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:03 AM EDT
              Writersview

              too bad the murderers won. too bad for humanity. predator dogs lording it over. but they can't possibly do it forever.

              You're right Jesusa Bernardo, but these murderers are just murderers. They could could kill the physical body but not the spirit.

              Thanks for this post. Keep up the good works.

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              #9.2 - Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:32 PM EDT
              Jesusa Bernardo

              thanks so for your encouraging words, Writersview.

              yes, they couldn't kill the spirit...for a time. pag naubos o kakaunti na lang ang natira sa mga tunay na libyans eh mababaon na rin ang ispiritu/diwa ng kanilang ipinaglalaban. but it can always be resurrected depending on whether good or evil reigns in this world.

                #9.3 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:53 PM EDT
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                sceptical-2486196

                Jesusa - I can understand your bits about Filipino freedom fighters but do you really equate these to Ghadaffi [rather than the Libyan rebels] ?

                  Reply#10 - Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:03 PM EDT
                  Jesusa Bernardo

                  sceptical-2486196, assuming that those "rebels" were really mostly libyans and not al qaeda and other mercenaries/terrorists as some non-western sources say, the fact that they're backed by western bullies/powers of this world, even able to offer huge reward money for khadaffy's head and amazingly prioritize and establish their central bank and oil company reveals that they're at the very least agents of neocolonizers.

                  like us filipinos during the fil-am war, which was incidentally secretly instigated by the bald eagle military on orders of mckinley (to push the u.s. congress into funding/approving the invasion of our country, the libyans under khadaffy were ganged up on by western superpowers (spain ridiculously "ceded" us despite our having won the revolution and australia helped the u.s. military somehow).

                  actually, much as i hesitate to say this, khadaffy/libya even had a greater independent status than the philippines by virtue of how long libya had been independent whereas the philippines during the u.s. invasion was still fledgling and newly independent.

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                  #10.1 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:46 PM EDT
                  sceptical-2486196

                  Jesusa - Power in Libya has always been competed for between the main eastern and western provinces. The base of the main rebel forces are in the east. They appear to have the support of the Arab League who seem to have provided them with small arms and provided them with the legitimacy needed for them to gain access to seized bank accounts outside of Libya. Al Qaeda -- who knows -- they don't seem to have claimed political power even in Afghanistan so there importance in the future of Libya is doubtful. A new muslim state in Libya -- I'd guess so.

                  "secretly instigated by ... mckinley" -- US engagement in military adventurism always starts by political high jinks due to their constitution and history [very strange!].

                  " ... and australia helped the u.s. military somehow" - How? Australia wasn't even a self ruling country then and is about 5000 kls away!

                  I think the Libyan rebels picked, either by good judgment or just luck, the time when the whole world had had enough of Khadaffi and many countries were prepared to help the rebels give him a 'push'. I doubt the US would have done anything without the French, Italians, Spanish, UK and Arab League strongly backing action. One thing Khadaffi doesn't lack was enemies both domestic and international.

                    #10.2 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:50 PM EDT
                    Jesusa Bernardo

                    so there, sceptical-2486196, you're virtually saying the libyan "rebels" ain't genuine freedom fighters but, rather, puppets of interventionist nations.

                    and that "whole world" claim of yours certainly ain't correct. russia and china didn't vote for that u.n. resolution, remember. and my country, a long.time puppet of the bald eagle nation, was neutral towards libya until a few weeks ago.

                    moreover, haven't you hear of how the African Union (AU), a body representing 54 nations of that continent, called on all its members last July to disregard the International Criminal Court' s arrest against Kadhafi? just because it's not in the mainstream news doesn't mean it's, i mean, if it's in the mainstream news, it's probably false, distorted.

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                    #10.3 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:35 PM EDT
                    sceptical-2486196

                    Jesusa - If you think I'm saying they're 'puppets' then you're wrong! I think they're a little more sophisticated than that and picked their time well when it would be likely that 'some' western countries might want it to look like they supported 'freedom, etc, etc' and were still influential in the Middle East/North Africa.

                    China and Russia didn't vote 'for' but didn't vote against either. China possibly based that on where their trading entities had investments in Libya and decided to have a 'two way bet'. Russia probably indifferent but not wanting to vote directly with the US and UK. The Philippines, Muslim minority stuff, so probably decided that there was no need to back either side -- pragmatic international diplomacy.

                    The African Union -- heavily influenced by Ghadaffi's oil money diplomacy. He was certainly trying to buy them!

                    How ever the recent report to the AUs Peace and Security Council [August 2011] states "Africa will benefit immensely from the achievement of lasting peace, democracy and development in Libya. For too long, the political system in Libya has been at variance with the relevant instruments of our Union."

                    Doesn't sound too supportive of Ghadaffi.

                    That the AU may not support the ICC process on Ghadaffi is not a surprise -- many countries are not signatories to the convention so the situation of one person who is subject to its jurisdiction as opposed to another individual who is not often makes the whole process questionable. It's also often convienient for many people [and I don't just mean the AU] for individuals like Ghadaffi not to be captured.

                      #10.4 - Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:15 PM EDT
                      Jesusa Bernardo

                      my article has well disproved your claim that they're not puppets, skeptical. :)

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                      #10.5 - Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:36 AM EST
                      sceptical-2486196

                      Jesusa - You should apply for a position in American politics. Asserting opinions are facts goes seems to work there.

                        #10.6 - Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:32 PM EST
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