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Joseph Estrada's renewed bid for the Presidency: Can he overcome the media bias?

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DEFAMED and deposed former Philippine President Joseph Ejercito "Erap" Estrada recently announced his bid to seek anew the country's top elective post. Predominantly "masa"supporters numbering around 10,000, as based on police estimates, flocked to the Plaza Amado Hernandez in the capital's urban poor area of Tondo for the nomination of Estrada and his running-mate in the Pwersa ng Masa and PDP-Laban coalition, Makati Mayor Jejomar Binay.

Erap had long indicated his desire to obtain vindication against his ouster in January 2001, done via a veiled conspiracy described by the New York Times as "the opportunist coalition of church, business elite and left [with] former presidents Cory Aquino and Fidel Ramos actively [encouraging] the military to take sides against a properly elected president."

Hurdles Aplenty

Standing against Estrada's "Pagbabalik" are a bevy of daunting forces and hurdles that seem reminiscent of the resolve of the old conspirators behind "Oplan Excelsis," the Erap ouster plan reported in October 2000 by the Daily Tribune's Ninez Cacho-Olivares. One of the hurdles he has to overcome before reaching the goal of historical redemption is the formidable mainstream media, which has been instrumental in his demonization--no matter the presence of the continuing Filipino support for him as reflected in periodic survey studies. The rather unwarranted brash tone of the interview GMA-7 anchor Mel Tiangco gave him during the evening news right after the nomination rally should tell him to prepare well for the demonization component of Part II of the anti-Estrada movement.

The seeming train of orchestrated events targeting his 2010 candidacy began this year with the April 2009 revival of the BW Resources case against supposed Estrada crony Dante Tan, which was already dismissed in 2007. Dacer-Orbito case witness and former PAOCTF agent Cesar Mancao was brought home from the United States, although they were less successful with Glen Dumlao who eventually chose to stick to his claim that he was only tortured to implicate Lacson and Estrada in the murder case.

Then around the same time, former Senate minority floor leader Nene Pimentel and former Sen. Jovito Salonga asked Erap not to run anymore in 2010 as they took turns giving their dissuading opinions that the Supreme Court wouldn't allow him to run anyway. When Erap did not listen, Salonga then appealed to the Filipino people to "respect" the Supreme Court decision, as if he's certain of what the ruling will be. Lacson came next, who asked that Erap "unite" the opposition by giving way to the candidacy of neophyte senator Noynoy Aquino. Lacson then made threats and as the ex-President refused to retreat from the race, took the Senate floor twice to try to deliver some 'bombshell' expose in order to "save the Philippines from Joseph Ejercito alias Joseph Estrada."

Media's Treatment of Estrada

Lacson's privilege speeches did not exactly turn out to be explosive--either because the statements were rehash charges or were belied by other Estrada cabinet officials. One particular point, however, caused some stir with help from the media. Lacson claimed that Estrada used "strong arm tactics" to force businessman Alfredo Yuchengco to sell his shares in the Philippine Long Distance Telecommunications back in 1998. In what appeared to be a coordinated development, the Philippine Daily Inquirer (PDI) soon ran a banner story that backs up Lacson's claims. The letter on which the story was based turned out to be unsigned.

Earlier, the PDI also towed Lacson's line when its Sept. 10 headline made it appear that Erap's refusal to give way to presidential hopeful Noynoy Aquino, the neophyte senatorial son of former President Corazon Aquino, served to 'bust' opposition unity. Daily Tribune's Cacho-Olivares had described Noynoy Aquino as the presidential candidate of the Inquirer and broadcast news entity ABS-CBN.

PDI has a seeming history of disfavor, if not animosity, towards Estrada, as seen in its almost regular description of the former President as "convicted plunderer." This, without implying in any way the questionable verdict of the special Sandiganbayan court justices, almost of whom were subsequently promoted to the Supreme Court (one is pending).

Reliable reports paint a "kangaroo court" picture of Estrada's conviction: some two months before the verdict was handed down, veteran journalist Ellen Tordesillas had reported that religious leaders Mike Velarde and Cardinal Vidal were told by Arroyo "that she wanted the Estrada trial to end in a conviction" and the decision will be released "anytime soon," respectively. The Inquirer blames Estrada for the loss of its revenues in 1999 following the pullout by certain businessmen of their advertisements in the newspaper following a series of hard-hitting articles.

Badgering Erap


Back to the rather dissuading, if not humiliating, interview conducted by GMA-7's Tiangco with Estrada. Following is a transcript of the "24 Oras" October 21, 2009 news clip entitled "Interview with Joseph Estrada" (translated into English):

Enriquez: Good evening Mr. President. We are Mike Enriquez and Mel Tiangco.

Estrada: Good evening to you you as well, my friend Mike.

Mike: There are those who say that the Constitution prohibits you from seeking again the presidency. What can you say to this, Mr. President?

Estrada: Nothing. We've already consulted that with retired Supreme Court justices and deans of UP (University of the Philippines) law school. They... have already studied the issue very well and they have agreed that I'm very much qualified to run again as President.

Estrada: OK, Mr. President, so their advice to you is that you also did not violate any condition of the pardon given you by President Arroyo in which you should not run for any elective position, Mr President?

Estrada: There's nothing there in the dispositive portion of the pardon. What is there is this: "restoring all civil and political rights," and it means that if I can vote, I can also be voted upon.

Enriquez: Yes, Mr. President. One last question before Mel Tiangco's turn: aside from Mayor Jejomar Binay who is vice-presidential running mate, is there already a complete senatorial line-up?

Estrada: Ah, not yet. Perhaps we have from 8-10.

Enriquez: OK, Mr. President. Thank you. Here's Mel Tiangco.

Tiangco" "Sir, you had a bad experience in Malacanang. So, why do you still want to go back there?

Estrada: What?

Tiangco: Why do you still want to return to Malacanang when you yourself were narrating earlier your bad experience when you were President?

Estrada: Very ugly because they forged a conspiracy and I was forced to step down. Truth is that former President Cory Aquino was repentant for her being a part of Edsa 2. And for me,  my programs for the good of the poor were cut short which is why I want to continue them.

Tiangco: You are always saying that you are innocent, that the accusations against you are untrue. So why is it that it lasted six years? You were tried for six years, right?

Estrada: Six years and six months. They were not able to prove that I stole even one cent from the national treasury. The truth is that the DOJ [Department of Justice] set up a task force that  scrutinized each and every contract under my administration and they did not find even one contract that was tainted by anomaly.

Tiangco: so why is it that you were given a pardon?

Estrada: I don't know with them. (Seems to be in the act of turning away & concluding the interview).

Tiangco: Is it possible, according to some, that the reason why you want to run again is so that you can get back at those who ousted you?

Estrada: You know, Mel, during my six years in prison I became closer to God. And I'm always reminded by God of the "Lord's Prayer," the "Our Father." Those who sinned against you, you should also forgive. "Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us." That's what the Lord seems to be always making me feel.

Tiangco: Thank you so much for the time you gave us here in "24 Oras." Good evening.

Estrada: Thank you, thank you Mel.


While both interviewee and interviewer remained 'polite' all throughout, vexation and put down were arguably detectable at some points in the tones of their voices or body languages.

On the point of the six-month trial and pardon, respectively, Tiangco was obviously implying that Erap was convicted and was therefore guilty of some crime and not innocent as claimed. In a politely veiled manner, the news anchor was arguing against the former President's statements.

Estrada was taken aback--as in he seemed to have been on the way to turning his back and concluding the interview were it not for another question hurled at him. Those who understand the political nature of Estrada's arrest and legal cases are aware that as far as government funds and contracts are concerned, the former President comes off clean.

The ousted leader obviously couldn't answer the "why pardon" question because to do so would be to claim that Teresita de Castro, Diosdado Peralta, and Francisco Villaruz Jr were 'kangaroo court' justices, which would imply an ungentlemanly or unethical undermining of the pardon he accepted.

Tiangco very well knew what she was driving at because she's a veteran journalist who began with Channel 4 way back the Martial Law days. Established press figures like her are, in fact, well ahead of the news. By badgering Erap with such questions, is she saying that she is unaware of reports of Vidal/Velarde's knowledge of Arroyo's manipulation of the Plunder verdict? Is she saying that she does not even suspect the kangaroo court character of the Special Division of Sandiganbayan, with its two justices being subsequently promoted to Supreme Court positions (Villaruz is in the shortlist of SC nominees)? As news anchor and official of GMA-7, it can safely be assumed that her news objectivity, or lack of it, is representative of the network's own position.

'Star Struck' Interview of Noynoy

It is easier to see through the slant in Tiangco's interview if it is compared with the interview conducted with Sen. Noynoy Aquino, along with Sen. Mar Roxas, on September 21, 2009 right after the Liberal Party stalwarts formally announced their tandem for the 2010 presidential elections in Club Filipino.

Following are the questions thrown at Noynoy by Pia Arcangel and Raffy Tima based on my transcript of the "QTV: Live interview with Mar Roxas and Noynoy Aquino" (translated into English):

___: To Sen. Aquino, this time. Now that the Aquino-Roxas tandem is in place, what change, to your mind, will your tandem bring to the election race, so to speak?

___: You did not find it hard convincing Sen. Roxas to be your running mate since, as you said, you've been friends with Sen. Roxas for a long time?

___: Do you think, Senator Aquino,  your friendship is a big help in your campaign and candidacy?

___: You have a scheduled meeting with former President Estrada, right? What could you be possibly discussing and what changes can be expected in case you are able to meet with former President Estrada?

___: Senator, is there any chance that the opposition can unite? If not behind one candidate, at least in terms of limiting the number of opposition candidates.

___: Sen. Mar Roxas and Sen. Aquino, let us now turn to an issue that is more live. How are the preparations for your wedding, Sen. Mar? There's a chance that many singles will enter the Palace [Malacanang].

___: So, its Sen. Aquino's turn next year?

___:  It seems that your are both enjoying your, well, friendship. And this, according to you, is a big advantage in your campaign and your desire to garner support, especially from the youth.

___:: Sen. Aquino, aside from former President Estrada, who else do you plan to talk with?

___: How big a factor is the support you get from your [respective] families in the decision you've made now?


Watching the Tiangco portion of the "24 Oras" interview with Erap made me cringe both from disapproval at the rather callously inappropriate line of questioning and from the discomfort of watching Erap slide from proclamation "high" into interrogation put down. Imagine the subject were not Erap but another comebacking politician who just concluded his proclamation rally--how would it sound for a news anchor to hammer on why the former public official had to run again? Wouldn't that be considered rude by any decent journalistic standards?

Contrast the badgering Erap got with the kids' glove treatment the network gave Noynoy. Same interview format for the two presidentiables right after after their respective formal declaration of intent to run in 2010: two interviewers--female and male who hurled questions one after the other. While GMA-7 subjected ex-President Estrada to an interrogation-style interview, Sen. Aquino was accorded brattish tweetums TV time.

Is it by sheer "luck" that Noynoy was asked rather 'beautiful' questions in the tradition of "Star Struck": about his "friendship" with, and how he wooed his VP bet; and "family support" behind the decision to run? Or is it by the network's deliberate design?

Of course, the sets of interviewers were different--veterans for Erap and a little less for Noynoy--but is that an excuse for a pronounced journalistic slant? The interview with Sen. Aquino was conducted by children's program "Art Angel" host Pia Arcangel and Raffy Tima, who might be a commended news producer but is still very "soft" in interview work. It was reported by QTV, which is a television network owned by GMA Network, Inc., with the video published at the GMA News website. If the interview was not deliberately designed to be pro-Noynoy, shouldn't the network have assigned the task to the politically sharper hosts such as Tiangco and Enriquez or others?

What GMA-7 should have asked Noynoy

If the network that describes itself as "Walang Kinikilingan..." were genuinely even half as fair and non-prejudicial, it would have been as polite and tweetums in its interview with Estrada as it was with Noynoy. After all, it's hardly politically correct to turn an interview of a former leaders ousted by a conspiracy into a prosecution-style interrogation on the very occasion of the proclamation of his political comeback. Actually, such a badgering interview bordering on humiliation--given the context of the occasion--is politically incorrect regardless of who the interviewee is.

Then again, the "Kapuso" network is a proud member of the Fourth Estate tasked to serve as watchdog that ferrets out the truth and is exempted, perhaps, from the dictates of political correctness. Still, the network should have been as tough-talking and callously inquisitive in its interview with Noynoy. It would have been a lot more real and unbiased had GMA-7 asked presidentiable Noynoy questions that hewed somewhat to the following:

Host: Good morning, Senator Aquino. Isn't it that your mother, the late President Aquino, apologized for her part in the ouster of former President Estrada, so why are you running now?

Host: Shouldn't you be supporting the candidacy of President Erap instead as an act of respect for the position taken by your mother?

Host: There were talks then that your mother approached Erap so you can be accommodated in the line up of the opposition during the 2007 elections, is that correct? Did you consider this matter when you decided to run as president and oppose other candidates that include former President Estrada?

Host: Others say that the late President Aquino renounced EDSA 2 when she sought the pardon of former President Estrada? What is your position? Are you also renouncing that part of the history of our nation?

Host: Senator Aquino, why did you make your announcement to run as President at Club Filipino? Are you trying to immitate the proclamation of your mother as President in 1986?

Host: In 1985 or 1986, your mother only accepted the challenge to run against Marcos when the petition for her candidacy signed by a million people was presented her. Are you running because you have also received a similar number of petition signatures wanting you to run in 2010?

Host: Some critics say that Land Reform did not fully succeed under the term of former President Aquino. How will you deal with the issue in case you are elected President? What is your and your relatives' plan with regards Hacienda Luisita?

Host: Senator Noynoy, there are those who claim that your legislative performance was not exactly that good. What can you do as President in case you get elected?

Host: For the final question, is your senatorial line-up already complete?


Overcoming the Media Bias

In fairness to GMA-7, it is not the only network that has exhibited a critical tendency against Estrada. Back in 2001, it joined ABS-CBN in the demonization of the former President and the corollary celebration of the "People Power II" coup by covering the 4-day uprising practically 24/7 and running their respective 'Edsa 2 victory' video clips soon after Erap's ouster. It should be mentioned, however, that GMA-7 ran their celebratory EDSA 2 video days, if not weeks, longer than did ABS-CBN (I well took mental note of that).

Both networks can be said to be guilty of condescending treatment of the pro-Erap EDSA 3, giving it minimal coverage. It was only non-mainstream Net 25, owned by Iglesia ni Cristo," which covered "People Power 3" full time.

In other words, GMA-7 is not alone for having a history of either belittling political actions of the masses or simply being biased against Estrada. Veteran journalist Rowena Carranza wrote snootily about EDSA 3, with the title saying it all: "Excuse me, Please Don't call it People Power III.' Carranza, of the print media, along with the PDI, is not alone in the tendency to negatively portray either the former President or his supporters, or both.

The TV, radio, and mainstream print media, along with the blogosphere, are littered with anti-Erap content, whether or not veiled in pretenses of objectivity. Cacho-Olivares of the Daily Tribune, a fiery but hardly mainstream media entity, laments the resurgence of the demonization of Erap in time with his renewed bid for the presidency:
   

"With the Erap magic still glowing, as shown by the crowd of thousands that went to Tondo to witness Erap Estrada's official declaration to run for the presidency, there went the usual elite civil socialites, once again demonizing him, and even saying that Estrada has a poor track record and a bad Cabinet.

One truly wonders where they get their facts, because official records show that Estrada certainly did a better job as President than their anointed has."


In explaining the political longevity of Arroyo despite huge problems in corruption and hunger, nationalist economist and political analyst Alejandro Lichauco writes that despite obvious support of the majority of Filipinos, Erap is faced with the problem of his inability to get a considerable segment of the upper and middle classes to his side, which includes the opinion makers, along with the intellectuals and revolutionary leaders. Alejandro continues: "While that class is numerically insignificant, it holds the levers of political power."

It is clear that the media is not the only hurdle for the ousted President. Military support--not necessarily in terms of loyalty to him but to the majority of the Filipinos--is perhaps even more important. Granting that the nation is able to maintain some democratic space for 'press freedom,' however, the opinion maker that is the media remains an important tool that would make or break Joseph Ejercito Estrada's "final, final performance."

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References

Bowring, Philip. Filipino Democracy Needs Stronger Institutions. New York Times. 22 January 2001. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/22/opinion/22iht-edbow.t_3.html

Cabacungan Jr., Gil and Norman Bordadora. "Estrada busts opposition's hopes of unity." Inquirer. net. 10 September 2009. http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20090910-224481/Estrada-busts-oppositions-hopes-of-unity

Cacho-Olivares, Ninez. "Demonizing Erap Again." The Daily Tribune. 23 October 2009. http://www.tribuneonline.org/commentary/20091023com2.html

Cacho-Olivares. "Oust Estrada plot bared: Business, Church group behind 'Oplan Excelsis' ". The Daily Tribune. 30 Oct. 2000. Originally posted in . Republished in http://www.network54.com/Forum/5345/viewall-page-213. Newsvine. http://jesusabernardo.polls.newsvine.com/_news/2009/10/10/3369444-look-back-oplan-excelsis-plot-to-oust-then-rp-president-joseph-estrada-hatched-in-2000

"Estrada bullied me, says Yuchengco." Inquirer.net. 16 September 2009. http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20090916-225393/Estrada-bullied-me-says-Yuchengco

"Estrada sues PDI, Yuchengco for libel." The Daily Tribune. 18 September 2009. http://www.tribune.net.ph/headlines/20090918hed1.html

"Excuse me, Please Don't call it People Power III." Bulatlat. http://www.bulatlat.com/archive1/011excuse_me.htm

"Interview with Joseph Estrada." GMA-7. 21 Oct. 2009. http://www.gmanews.tv/video/49649/interview-with-joseph-estrada

Kapunan, Rod. "Delicadeza, dead and forgotten word." The Daily Tribune. 08 December 2007. http://www.classicposters.com/commentary/20071208com3.html

Lacson spills beans on Estrada. VERA Files. 14 September 2009. http://www.verafiles.org/index.php/focus/341-lacson-spills-beans-on-estrada

Lichauco, Alejandro. "GMA Regime Endures Despite Hunger, Corruption." The Daily Tribune. 22 May 2008. http://www.tribuneonline.org/commentary/20080522com3.html

"Mancao lawyer, Erap Cabinet clear Estrada on Lacson raps." The Daily Tribune. http://www.tribuneonline.org/headlines/20090916hed2.html

Now Official! Ex-President Joseph Erap Estrada Will Run For Re-Election In 2010. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2kSwQPj8FE&feature=related

QTV: Live interview with Mar Roxas and Noynoy Aquino. 21 September 2000. GMA News TV. http://www.gmanews.tv/largevideo/related/48020/qtv-live-interview-with-mar-roxas-and-noynoy-aquino

Tordesillas, Ellen. Velarde, Vidal Know About Guilty Verdict In Estrada Trial. Ellen Tordesillas Blog. 5 July 2009. http://www.ellentordesillas.com/?p=1352

Zamore, Fe. "Remembrance of things past: Erap did it, too." Inquirer.net. 15 August 2009. http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20090815-220371/Remembrance-of-things-past-Erap-did-it-too

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Reply#1 - Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:21 AM EDT
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#1.1 - Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:12 AM EST
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Oh, my internet is so slow. 'Hope I could find more time.

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#1.2 - Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:23 PM EST
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Here's another clear case of media bias against Estrada:

ABS-CBN censors Joseph Estrada's clip with Cory Aquino apology over Edsa 2

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#1.3 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:08 PM EST
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I think after this crisis I just hope we rename our country to a more sensible one.

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Reply#3 - Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:41 AM EDT
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Oh, 'am hoping too.

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#3.1 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 12:46 AM EST
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Star Struck. Dream, believe, survive.

Will Erap win?

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Reply#4 - Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:17 AM EDT
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Will Erap win?

Haha! This could be a controversial poll question. Why not try it, so we could test the waters.

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#4.1 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 12:49 AM EST
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First, will there be no cheating? No cheating in the surveys? Remember that SWS declared GMA will likely win in 2004 based on their now-controversial surveys--but turned out how that happened was through Hello, Garci!. (I alluded to this in The Ghost of FPJ: Beware the Liberal Party? article).

After Edsa 2 coup, our country has lost its political morals....

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#4.2 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:00 AM EST
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After Edsa 2 coup, our country has lost its political morals....

Who knows friend, we could not also discount the fact that history repeats itself. Hopefully, the best history should be repeated.

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#4.3 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:22 AM EST
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Hope is indeed what keeps us going here, friend. We can always dream, hope, do our best, pray and wish, but the 'enemies' seem so vile and mighty. Oh well, hope....

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#4.4 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:31 AM EST
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P.S.

What I've seen so far is the repeat of the downfall of majority-choice Andres Bonifacio through the Tejeros Convention in Erap's persona via Edsa 2 & continuing demonization (of course, the Supremo was much more moral but it might have to do with the call/trend of the differing times).

Bonifacio was even killed and got vindicated only by history but there's a resurgence of anti-Bonifacio thinking, no thanks to a Glenn May, who I suspect is funded/supported by pro-Aguinaldo elites.

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#4.5 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:37 AM EST
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but the 'enemies' seem so vile and mighty.

Yeah, but just the same, everything has an end, the only question will be, when? 'Hope again, we're still alive. Hahaha.

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#4.6 - Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:24 AM EST
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Hi mumbaki. One of these weeks, I'll write an article arguing for a change in the name of our country. I think we're so stupid to continue to sport an obviously colonial name. How insulting for an "independent" country to continue sporting the name of one of the ex-kings of its former colonial master.

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Reply#5 - Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:12 AM EDT
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just check the names of our regional/province and idiom names and many of them means people of/by the river,sea or lake or named by the river or body of water where they live nearby so I think Andres Bonifacio's name for our nation is sensical in some way.

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#5.1 - Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:57 AM EDT
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I think, it should be a name that would fit in to our culture, attitudes and the archipelagic nature of our beloved pearl of the orient seas.

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#5.2 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 12:52 AM EST
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Hi Agila. Question is whether the elite media and civil society will even allow the "Father of the Masses" to run.

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Reply#6 - Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:14 AM EDT
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Really, mumbaki? That's very interesting. Can you post them?

P.S.

The "reply to" won't seem to work from my end, that's why I'm forced to make my responses.

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Reply#7 - Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:22 PM EDT
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I am posting the examples now.

-Ibanag-People of/from Cagayan(Bannag) River

-Apayao-the people there uses the name of the river to call themselves

-Dumagat-people of the sea

-Itawit-People who are on the both sides of the river,Tawit means cross or across

-Kapampangan-people from the shore of(river,lake) but basically named from the river they live (pampanga river).

-Tagalog,Tagarug-People of the river

-Subanon-People of the river

-Ilawod(visayan,one of the names used by people in antique)-people of the river or lake or sea.

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#7.1 - Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:07 AM EDT
{"commentId":10568722,"authorDomain":"CEMANES"}

Terrific! But, what about those people living in the upland or mountains?

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#7.2 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 12:57 AM EST
{"commentId":10717888,"authorDomain":"JesusaBernardo"}

I'm almost certain they won't mind. They need the iodine from the lowlands/rivers/seas!

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#7.3 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:50 AM EST
{"commentId":10742442,"authorDomain":"CEMANES"}

Not at all I think, 'coz a lot of our fellows in the mountains are now conscious and struggling to be educated and civilized. They are also becoming aware and keenly participates in activities concerning the government and our country.

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#7.4 - Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:37 AM EST
{"commentId":10743396,"authorDomain":"JesusaBernardo"}

Indeed, every one should. Especially not just the political elites....

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#7.5 - Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:57 AM EST
{"commentId":10790064,"authorDomain":"CEMANES"}

Education indeed, is the best weapon.

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#7.6 - Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:28 PM EST
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{"commentId":10327006,"authorDomain":"mumbaki"}

The elite wanted to stick on the colonial name,I think it is the masses who should decide what to call themselves.

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Reply#8 - Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:09 AM EDT
{"commentId":10790156,"authorDomain":"CEMANES"}

I think so too. Constitutionally and logically speaking, sovereignty resides in the people.

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#8.1 - Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:33 PM EST
{"commentId":10802248,"authorDomain":"JesusaBernardo"}
Constitutionally and logically speaking, sovereignty resides in the people.

Something the elite conspirators of the Edsa 2 coup and the murky yellows have no respect for....

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#8.2 - Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:05 PM EST
{"commentId":10838647,"authorDomain":"CEMANES"}

Yeah Jesusa, but we're still the majority, we just have to be determined, persistent and consistent. The problem most of the times is that, whenever hardships comes our way already, we surrender.

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#8.3 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:16 PM EST
{"commentId":10853931,"authorDomain":"JesusaBernardo"}

In my case, I'm not surrendering. However, the reality is that the hybrid, unpatriotic elites of the Philippine Islands are very powerfuuuuuuuuuuuuuuul. Those gullible enough simply get swayed by their games of propaganda and influence.

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#8.4 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:56 PM EST
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{"commentId":10327636,"authorDomain":"CEMANES"}
Is it by sheer "luck" that Noynoy was asked rather 'beautiful' questions in the tradition of "Star Struck": about his "friendship" with, and how he wooed his VP bet; and "family support" behind the decision to run? Or is it by the network's deliberate design?

Obviously, their slogan of "Walang kinikilingan, walang pinoprotektahan" is the exact opposite of the true GMA-7. The results depicts the true intentions although the mouth speaks the exact opposite. Pleeeaaase.lang noh?!...GMA-7 should stop this kind of tricks, the Filipino viewers are intelligent now.

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Reply#9 - Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:27 AM EDT
{"commentId":10390442,"authorDomain":"JesusaBernardo"}

You're so right CEMANES. Baloney the "Walang Kinikilingan...." claim. A travesty of truth!

I mean, it's not only the cited Erap interview that exhibits the bias of that station. I've consistently noticed their slant--beginning from the morning shows, including that hosted by that Rhea Santos, up to their news and public service

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Reply#10 - Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:07 AM EDT
{"commentId":10515001,"authorDomain":"CEMANES"}

Foremost is Arnold Clavio. Haaaayyy...may they be enlightened.

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#10.1 - Fri Nov 6, 2009 3:26 AM EST
{"commentId":10717132,"authorDomain":"JesusaBernardo"}

I doubt they'll be enlightened.

I used to think Marcos' claims that the media oligarchs were abusive, unpatriotic, etc. were just his ploy to defend Martial Law but as we've seen with Edsa 2 and up to now, he had some sense.

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#10.2 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:03 AM EST
{"commentId":10717803,"authorDomain":"CEMANES"}

Yeah, you're right Jesusa. These media oligarchs are just hiding from the cloaks of their profession but in truth and in fact are really unprincipled especially when money speaks.

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#10.3 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:34 AM EST
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{"commentId":10390455,"authorDomain":"JesusaBernardo"}

mumbaki, can you develop the post on the riverine-related names of places in RP into an article, with sources? I intend to write an article soon where I'll need to use them. Actually, I intend to write an article advocating change of our country's name.

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Reply#11 - Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:10 AM EDT
{"commentId":10393579,"authorDomain":"mumbaki"}

I think I will do this if I have time,you can research this yourself,you can easily search it on wikipedia...

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#11.1 - Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:20 AM EDT
{"commentId":10515013,"authorDomain":"CEMANES"}
I intend to write an article soon where I'll need to use them. Actually, I intend to write an article advocating change of our country's name.

Wow! What possibly is the new name that you would suggest. Am interested dear.

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#11.2 - Fri Nov 6, 2009 3:30 AM EST
{"commentId":10541842,"authorDomain":"JesusaBernardo"}

It's "Taga-ilog," CEMANES.

As I've written before in Andres Bonifacio's Tagalog Nation & Predictions of Global Warming, the Philippine archipelago is basicaly riverine. Mumbaki points out that a number of the names of places in the country are inspired by this riverine feature. It makes so much sense.

Emphasis should be placed on the hypen and additon of "i" to differentiate it from "Tagalog" in order to help avoid regional resistance. It's high time we really change our very colonial country name.

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#11.3 - Sat Nov 7, 2009 12:21 PM EST
{"commentId":10674980,"authorDomain":"mumbaki"}

First,we should change back the names of our places to their original names, such as Luzon and Mindoro,Luzon should change back to Gintu/Ginto while Mindoro should change back to Ma-it

http://parasapinga.multiply.com/journal/item/136/SIBUYAN_ROMBLON_

According to this Luzon was named as Gintu before colonization.

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#11.4 - Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:47 AM EST
{"commentId":10743666,"authorDomain":"JesusaBernardo"}

I wish the references were posted.

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    #11.5 - Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:20 AM EST
    {"commentId":10838700,"authorDomain":"CEMANES"}

    Granting for the sake of argument that we were able to change the name of our country, will it make a big difference to the lives of our people, economically, politically, and spiritually? I am just curious because what I am interested now is to expidite programs that will improve the lives of our poor constituents.

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    #11.6 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:23 PM EST
    {"commentId":10854180,"authorDomain":"JesusaBernardo"}

    It will, friend. The subconscious is a low-key but very powerful component of the human psyche. Perhaps, analogies will best articulate the role a country name has on the people.

    The country name is something like the national flag--a source of pride and symbolism. Imagine our Philippine flag shows a Filipino woman or man chained and enslaved. Every time it flies, what would that make us think and feel? Worse, what will be the subliminal/subconscious message it will send to us?

    Or imagine your name is "Alila." Every time your name is called, what would that trigger in you? Perhaps, one's personality can fight off the negative meaning of the time to an extent; however, the meaning of the name will still eat at your being or self-awareness or dignity.

    I believe that's what has happened to us all through this centuries. Our colonial subservience, even after our supposed independence, has partly been a product of our name conditioning.

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    #11.7 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:09 PM EST
    {"commentId":10863447,"authorDomain":"mumbaki"}

    I agree on that.

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      #11.8 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:45 AM EST
      {"commentId":10865184,"authorDomain":"mumbaki"}

      I really feel that parts of our country are currently occupied by indonesia, which is north sulawesi, the people in north sulawesi expelled the spanish colonizers from north sulawesi but the dutch colonized it, north sulawesi have much more in common with us than other parts of indonesia, I hope it will be returned to us one day, but that should be after our country is renamed.

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        #11.9 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:09 AM EST
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        {"commentId":10397023,"authorDomain":"JesusaBernardo"}

        No pressure, mumbaki. Only if you have time. I'm thinking kasi of citing your future article as reference because linguistics is not my field and you obviously seem to have greater grasp and interest in the matter so more authoritative ka in a way. Thanks.

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        Reply#12 - Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:39 PM EDT
        {"commentId":10717828,"authorDomain":"CEMANES"}

        Jesusa,

        If you won't mind I posted this article in my facebook. Thanks!

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        Reply#13 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:36 AM EST
        {"commentId":10717842,"authorDomain":"JesusaBernardo"}

        Absolutely, Cemanes! Will be my honor. Just try to link back to this and maybe my Facebook account also? :)

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        #13.1 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:38 AM EST
        {"commentId":10790239,"authorDomain":"CEMANES"}

        Yeah! My friend. With all my pleasure. I'm a fan of yours.

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        #13.2 - Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:37 PM EST
        {"commentId":10802194,"authorDomain":"JesusaBernardo"}

        Hmmm. Mutual admiration society....

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        #13.3 - Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:04 PM EST
        {"commentId":10839973,"authorDomain":"CEMANES"}

        Hahaha! What can I do? That's the truth, huh!

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        #13.4 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:38 AM EST
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