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Approval rating of Philippine president at historical record low in 22 years

Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:25 PM EDT
world-news, elections, 2008, philippines
By Jesusa Bernardo

Historical Satisfaction Ratings of post-Martial Law Philippine Presidents

Historical Satisfaction Rating of Gloria Macapagal Arroyo

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The latest satisfaction ratings of Philippines' Gloria Macapagal Arroyo is at a new record low in two decades. Latest figures from the 2008 second quarter study of the Social Weather Stations (SWS) shows a negative (-) 38 net rating, even lower than the previous record low Arroyo herself has set in 2005 at the height of the "Hello Garci" wiretapped tape controversy that purportedly proved she rigged the 2004 presidential elections. Arroyo, whose assumption to the presidency has been hounded by questions of legitimacy, is the only Philippine President to post negative ratings based on various periodic surveys. Beginning October 2005, her ratings have consistently been in the negative range.

Second Quarter 2008 Social Weather Survey: PGMA's net rating falls to record-low –38

Social Weather Stations

The Social Weather Survey of June 27-30, 2008 found 22% satisfied and 60% dissatisfied with the performance of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, giving her a Net Satisfaction rating of –38 (% satisfied minus % dissatisfied), which is a new record-low for Presidents since 1986, surpassing the previous record of –33 in May 2005.

The new net rating is a 12-point drop from net –26 (27% satisfied, 54% dissatisfied) in the First Quarter 2008 Survey of March 28-31 [Chart 1, Table 1]. It is the fourth consecutive quarterly drop in her net rating since June 2007, when it was a neutral –3.

In all areas, majorities are dissatisfied

For the first time, gross dissatisfaction is at majority levels in all study areas: 63% in Metro Manila, 60% in the Balance of Luzon, 56% in the Visayas, and 62% in Mindanao.

The President's net satisfaction rating in the Visayas, where she customarily draws her strongest support, fell by 18 points from –15 in March (36% satisfied, 51% dissatisfied) to a record-low –33 in June (23% satisfied, 56% dissatisfied) [Table 2, also Chart 2, Table 3].

In Mindanao, it fell by 8 points in Mindanao, from –33 (26% satisfied, 59% dissatisfied) to –41 (21% satisfied, 62% dissatisfied), also a new record-low for the area.

Her net satisfaction ratings fell by 13 points in Balance Luzon, from –25 (26% satisfied, 51% dissatisfied) to –38 (22% satisfied, 60% dissatisfied), and by 3 points in Metro Manila, from –37 (23% satisfied, 60% dissatisfied) to –40 (23% satisfied, 63% dissatisfied). The existing record-lows in those areas are –47 (May 2005) in Balance Luzon and –48 (June 2006) in Metro Manila.

Between March 2008 and June 2008, President Arroyo's net rating fell by 11 points in both urban and rural areas: the former from –27 to –38, the latter from –26 to –37.

Ratings hit record-lows in all socio-economic classes

The June 2008 survey found dissatisfaction worsening in all socio-economic classes, with the middle-to-upper classes or ABCs just as dissatisfied now as the masa or class D.

The net satisfaction rating of Pres. Arroyo fell the most among the middle-to-upper classes or ABCs. It fell by 23 points, from –14 (34% satisfied, 48% dissatisfied) last March to –37 (22% satisfied, 59% dissatisfied) in June [Chart 3, Table 4]. The previous record–low for ABCs was –34 in May 2005. It had been positive in February, June and September 2007, when the ratings for the lower D and E classes were negative or zero.

Her net rating fell by 11 points among the class D or masa, from net –24 in March (28% satisfied, 52% dissatisfied) to net –35 in June (23% satisfied, 58% dissatisfied). The previous record-low for Class D was –34, also in May 2005.

The President's net rating fell by 8 points in Class E, from net –37 in March (23% satisfied, 60% dissatisfied) to –45 in June (20% satisfied, 65% dissatisfied). The previous record-low for Class E was –37 in March 2008.

Survey Background

The Second Quarter of 2008 Social Weather Survey was conducted over June 27-30, 2008 using face-to-face interviews of 1,200 adults divided into random samples of 300 each in Metro Manila, the Balance of Luzon, Visayas, and Mindanao (sampling error margins of ±3% for national percentages and ±6% for area percentages). The area estimates were weighted by National Statistics Office medium-population projections for 2008 to obtain the national estimates.

The quarterly Social Weather Survey on public satisfaction with the President is a non-commissioned item, and is included on SWS's own initiative and released as a public service, with first printing rights assigned to BusinessWorld.

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References:

Second Quarter 2008 Social Weather Survey: PGMA's net rating falls to record-low -38. Social Weather Stations Site. 18 July 2008. http://www.sws.org.ph/pr080718.htm

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Jesusa Bernardo

Social Weather Station website is: http://www.sws.org.ph/.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:12 AM EDT
rqcemanesDeleted
Jesusa Bernardo

I just would like to pose some questions. What now? What can we conclude from all these data? What can we do as responsible citizens?

Surveys are social science tools intended to be used, among other things, as a gauge of public opinion to make governments or the concerned entities to be more responsive. Numerous periodic international and Pulse Asia/SWS surveys point to how the Filipino people 1.) view Arroyo's government as corrupt, more corrupt than Marcos', Ramos' or Erap's; 2.) suffer in more or less greater hunger and poverty, and 3) want Arrobo to vacate Malacanang (Pulse Asia surveys especially apply here).

Now, the surveys done and analyzed overtime serve as a gauge or avenue of the voices of the Filipinos. Those in power do not listen because as we all know kapal Gloria Arroyo's devil-may-care-about-the-will-of-the-Filipinos attitude. The people have repeatedly spoken but IGNORED. Now, what do we do?

Civil society should actively participate and the role of media should be maximized.

Remember that it was the combined manipulation of the civil society and the media that brought the Philippines hell under Arrobo in the 2001 Edsa II. Ntq has a point in being wary of mob power--actually manipulation of people to turn them into a mob for Machiavellian ends.

We should utilize civil society and the media, but who will lead them? They've been misled, which misled some of the people, so we should be wary. I hate to say this but Bogus Arroyo wouldn't be lording over us up to now if there were no equally unpatriotic, vile conspirators.

The greater majority have spoken through EDSA 3, but they were dismissed by Cardinal Sin and the rest of those who refuse to give the masa any say in Philippine governance (although I should point out that we're aware many of those who supported Edsa 2 have already realized their grave mistake).

giving an extra mile to expose all sorts of corruption against all unconscientious leaders of our country and to be always vigilant and watchful of their doings.

We can continue this. But would the Bogus Arrobo really care? If you read editorials in the broadsheets now, the question being asked is: Will Arroyo perpetuate herself beyond 2010?

Gosh, why can't just anybody kick her out of her stolen office? Because she's buying the "loyalty" of the generals, congressmen and justices with junkets abroad, promotions, etc.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:29 PM EDT
Donna DoreenDeleted
Jesusa Bernardo

Gloria Arroyo is so shrewd, wicked and, unfortunately, supported by equally wicked groups from the military, Congress, business and to a certain extent, even from the Catholic Church .

A few months after she dethroned Estrada in 2001 by EDSA 2, mass demonstrations in support of the former President, EDSA 3, actually outnumbered those who went to eventually install Arroyo. But because the EDSA 3 crowd were mostly poor, they weren't listened to at all.

Today, there are few demonstrations now because Arroyo has ironically somehow killed the spirit of "People Power." The Filipinos repudiate Gloria, as consistently shown in various surveys, but they are not taking to the streets--perhaps because they feel that the dethroning of Estrada via EDSA 2 was wrong in the first place.

  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Wed Mar 4, 2009 5:57 AM EST
Donna DoreenDeleted
Jesusa Bernardo

was it wrong at that time; or did they feel Gloria would offer more opportunity and hope? were they mis-guided, or desperate for hope and change?

Definitely the crowd of EDSA 2 was conned! I have several articles on EDSA 2, and this one answers your query well:

The conspiracy of Edsa 2: how Gloria Arroyo managed not to let President Joseph Estrada finish his term

This one extends the discussion briefly to the very controversial 2004 presidential elections Arroyo "won" (yuk):

The Truth behind the Philippine Presidency and the 2004 Elections

  • 3 votes
#1.6 - Wed Mar 4, 2009 7:04 AM EST
Jesusa Bernardo

although he will go down in history as the most non-transparent PM we've ever had to this date.

I'm beginning to think that it's the (astrological--haha) trend. Bush, Arroyo and your PM (Stephen Harper, right?) all non-transparent. Too much of a coincidence?

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Wed Mar 4, 2009 7:07 AM EST
Donna DoreenDeleted
Jesusa Bernardo

how one moment, one can be a hero; and the moment you go against their grain; you become their percieved enemy. this occured, because my town could have made lots of money on a contract to accept torontos waste(some toxic) to place into one of our abandoned gold mines...

Sad what happened to you. Your case proves that money speaks loudly. Louder than principles and patriotic foresight.

I laud you for speaking for Canadian aborigines.

  • 2 votes
#1.9 - Wed Mar 4, 2009 7:45 AM EST
Donna DoreenDeleted
Jesusa Bernardo

Sorry for being off-topic... but, I feel the world needs millions of human-defenders, to make even a small poke into the bubble of corruption we are living in on a global scale...

But there seems so few. Perhaps, they've been demoralized? Whatever, so much work to do, really Doreen.

  • 1 vote
#1.11 - Thu Mar 5, 2009 2:14 AM EST
Jesusa Bernardo

I am part Ojibway - my mother white, my father half Ojibway raised on a reservation. He was considered a treaty indian(raised on a reservation) and I am a status indian(at least one parent raised on a reservation, linking our indian heritage through blood-line.)

In a way you're lucky--your blood is purer compared to the majority with mixed-up race (not that I have anything against "mestizas because I'm partly one to a limited extent).

It is in my blood, to speak up for those which are oppressed - my family is like this; and it comes as a natural human instinct for us. : )

I think it's in my soul to speak up similarly--I' ve been through many reincarnations that I've played both the oppressor and the oppressed, such that I have come to realize that humans should try not to hurt others (hahaha).

  • 1 vote
#1.12 - Thu Mar 5, 2009 2:24 AM EST
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Babel Fish

Arroyo faces a range of economic and political challenges due to the weak finances of the Philippines and widespread corruption in the country. Her victory in the 2004 presidential election has also been challenged by her political opposition, which alleges fraud. Arroyo has refused to testify before the Philippine Congress

Very truthful

Please go and vote at http://www.mondostars.com/politics/gloriaarroyo.html

I hope that this SWS report will highlight the need for GMA to be impeached, there is a need for someone to provide solid evidence of corruption. At he moment all we have is alleged fraud The problem there is that all the politician at one time or other have alleged things about corruption these accusations are thrown at anyone and everyone within all levels of Philippine governance. Corruption is rife but so is lying and propaganda. The politics here is dog eat dog and a political party can just change sides because the bribe money and pork barrels promised are better on their former oppositions party.

The biggest problem is that the process of passing bills and acts are put on snail pace because of the constant bickering in the senate. Each and every election see bickering, blood baths, scull thuggery and a very long winded election that takes weeks to get results and then we have the mass of arguments from both sides that take weeks more time in the senate before all the results are declared.

The last election that elected GMA was rigged but many differing parties did the rigging on both sides of the fence. But GMA did her rigging better as she had comelect in her pocket and used her position to its full advantage, she can be very ruthless.

I like to see the truth such as seen within this independant survey. Propaganda is one thing I hate to see its better to shame the devil and tell the truth and nothing but the truth.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:21 AM EDT
Jesusa Bernardo

Thanks for the comment, Bob.

I've almost always based my Arroyo and Estrada articles on independent surveys or other telling evidences, such as the Hello Garci tapes. I don't know if you're really missed my article Gloria Arroyo at the Helm Seven Years Later: The Sorry State of the Philippines under the EDSA 2 President but the first graph I show in this present article is also foundin the earlier article (although the data were only up to 2007).

My calling Arroyo the Most Corrupt President in Philippine History is far from slander as it was first collectively voiced by majority of the Filipino people through the Pulse Asia's Special Report on Corruption-Related Issues made in October 2007.

Even the basis of my article Filipinos Welcome Estrada Pardon, Maintain Reservations About Arroyo
come from an SWS survey, which I pointed out in the comments section. I made a mistake of not incorporating it in the Filipinos Welcome Estrada article and instead published it as a seed. I should say thank you for you inspired me to merge the seed to the main article just now. This is what I added or fused to the article:

Earlier, a nationwide survey showed that an overwhelming majority of Filipinos believe Estrada is innocent of the Plunder charges, and should he be declared guilty, should be pardoned. According to the survey conducted by the Social Weather Station (SWS) 62% of Filipinos do not believe "Erap" Estrada enriched himself nor committed corruption while he was President; a total of 84% think he should be pardoned if convicted. The SWS, the most active social survey institute in the country, conducted the survey just before the promulgation of the Sandiganbayan decision declaring Estrada guilty of the charges.

That's my style of writing, Bob. I'm not really so personal and it's a sort of SOP for me to support my articles with rather objective data because in the first place, my writing emanates from what I objectively gather and observe. In as much as I have passion, I have commonsensical objectivity that I take pride in.

Bob, you should really let independent surveys more into your heart and mind because they can uncannily reduce the prejudice out of anybody open-minded enough.

  • 3 votes
#2.1 - Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
Babel Fish

Bob, you should really let independent surveys more into your heart and mind because they can uncannily reduce the prejudice out of anybody open-minded enough.

People survey's however can tell how the slanderous accusations without solid proof of corruption are being listened to and believed by the people. Trends such as hunger can rise because of high oil prices, food price rises due to transportation costs and lastly higher population due to the lack of birth control. I have noted that this independent survey has not added these factors within their charts. SWS is a independent body but I wonder how independent they are and the influence of outside political pressures this is a Filipino organisation. I wonder how many of the officials are related to political clans?

I have lived here long enough to be suspicious (the corruption is rife) and not trust things I see and hear.

But what else is there to work on to see the trends my gut tells me I have no other option to believe the survey is independent but lacking the oil price and population increase of which would make a more accurate picture of trends.

  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:11 PM EDT
ntq

Babel & Jesusa
#2

I like to see the truth such as seen within this independant survey. Propaganda is one thing I hate to see its better to shame the devil and tell the truth and nothing but the truth.

Don't you think you're asking for too much from this world, Babel!?

#2.1

In as much as I have passion, I have commonsensical objectivity that I take pride in.

Yes, that does sound like you. :-)

#2.2

Trends such as hunger can rise because of high oil prices, food price rises due to transportation costs and lastly higher population due to the lack of birth control.

Mainly under a weak and/or corrupted administration who has no control and/or is negligent of the fair distribution of welfare, essential services and opportunities. Glass houses, citadels, and palaces are built at a cost. Who's really paying for that cost if not the poor , the reduced, and the deprived.

#2.2

SWS is a independent body but I wonder how independent they are and the influence of outside political pressures this is a Filipino organisation. I wonder how many of the officials are related to political clans?

A reasonable point to consider before making any judgement. As with the picture in Iran, they're all as corrupted and politically biased as the government itself.

#3

One funny point, have you notice that all the presidents charts show a downward track after they get elected. That show each and every one to be lousy at the job or that the propaganda methods from the opposition pull them down, Or that the people realize they are corrupt or could be.

Blimey! And then you accuse me of wrongly comparing Iran to Phillipines. I swear these two are the 2 ends of the same stick.

#3

Politics in the Philippines sucks.

Everything sucks in the 3rd world, Babel. Every damn thing.

  • 2 votes
#2.3 - Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:02 AM EDT
Jesusa Bernardo

Babel & Jesusa #2
I like to see the truth such as seen within this independant survey. Propaganda is one thing I hate to see its better to shame the devil and tell the truth and nothing but the truth.

Don't you think you're asking for too much from this world, Babel!?

I actually think Babel's professed love for "truth" is such a good thing for this world. Now, if he can only perhaps live much longer in the Philippines so that hopefully, his mind can discern the naked truth in the Bogus incumbent president. Not sure but is his "truth" Arroyo's propaganda?

Blimey! And then you accuse me of wrongly comparing Iran to Phillipines. I swear these two are the 2 ends of the same stick.

I don't fully understand Iran but in the sense that religious characters interfere or have a hand in governance, I think so too. By the way, aren't your writings censored from where you are?

Everything sucks in the 3rd world, Babel. Every damn thing.

So truthfully mundane. Even the 1st world ain't spared. I mean, in the UK you had this Mad Cow disease, in which there are fears that many more British cases of exposure to the disease prion are yet undetected or still in the incubation stage. Then there's the controversial death of Princess Diana (I'm a "fan") believed by some to have been royally perpetrated. Then the US has a Bush character as president. Really, the whole world sucks at one point or the other.

  • 3 votes
#2.4 - Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:37 PM EDT
Jesusa Bernardo

People survey's however can tell how the slanderous accusations without solid proof of corruption are being listened to and believed by the people.

You got a good point here, Bob. You know the saying: "You can't fool all the people all of the time." SWS (and I think Pulse Asia )also did a surveyson the Filipinos perception of allegations of corruption against Erap beginning around 2000 until 2007. You know what--the survey graph begins with many Filipinos believing the charges but ends with majority believing in his innocence. Overtime, majority of the people more or less gradually learned got to filter the truth from the propaganda machinery of Edsa 2 and Arroyo, thus concluding the plunder charges are all trumped-up.

Food for thought, Bob.

  • 3 votes
#2.5 - Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:47 PM EDT
rqcemanesDeleted
Jesusa Bernardo

Here, we can also see how the Philippines rank as one of the most corrupt country, thereby, confirming or strengthening the perception that indeed Gloria is undeniably a corrupt President of this country.

So true. Even the analysis of the international surveys somehow point to how Gloria Arroyo is the Most Corrupt post-Marcos president, not just corrupt. If I can refer you to my article Gloria Arroyo at the Helm Seven Years Later: The Sorry State of the Philippines under the EDSA 2 President, there showed that the TI and Political and Economic Risk Consultancy surveys showed the worsening corruption grade level during Arroyo's time compared to the presidency of Joseph Estrada.

  • 2 votes
#2.7 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:09 PM EDT
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Babel Fish

One funny point, have you notice that all the presidents charts show a downward track after they get elected. That show each and every one to be lousy at the job or that the propaganda methods from the opposition pull them down, Or that the people realize they are corrupt or could be.

I fancy the last option. Politics in the Philippines sucks. lol

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:17 PM EDT
Jesusa Bernardo

I think the so-called 100 day honeymoon period with the media has something to do with said phenomenon. Initially, the media refrain from criticisms and then 3 months later, ACDC for some.

  • 2 votes
#3.1 - Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:17 PM EDT
rqcemanesDeleted
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hircus

Misleading title, no? Satisfaction is at record low, not dissatisfaction.

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:58 PM EDT
Jesusa Bernardo

Thanks for pointing it out, hircus. Got confused there. :)

  • 2 votes
#4.1 - Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
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ntq

By the way, aren't your writings censored from where you are?

By their false religious conception, it's the head that's censored once you get caught. However, the mullahs prefer not to make martyrs out of their opposition, so long as they don't pull guns on them on the street and in the local press. Their strategy's to cut your throat bit by bit by silently depriving you of all your basic privilidges and rights so there's no room for you to protest. The mystery of how I made it through all these years (30) lies in the miraculous antedote that's been mercifully bestowed to me by mother nature. That should explain everything.

Really, the whole world sucks at one point or the other

No doubt about it. However, your principle of "relative goodness/badness" applies here too. :-)

  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:45 AM EDT
Jesusa Bernardo

Their strategy's to cut your throat bit by bit by silently depriving you of all your basic privilidges and rights so there's no room for you to protest. The mystery of how I made it through all these years (30) lies in the miraculous antedote that's been mercifully bestowed to me by mother nature. That should explain everything.

I'm not sure if you were already born during the Shah's time but if you were, any recollection/comparison?

No doubt about it. However, your principle of "relative goodness/badness" applies here too. :-)

Indeed. Relative to whose interest and/or which operating paradigm or principle.

  • 2 votes
#5.1 - Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:40 AM EDT
Jesusa Bernardo

#2.2
SWS is a independent body but I wonder how independent they are and the influence of outside political pressures this is a Filipino organisation. I wonder how many of the officials are related to political clans?

A reasonable point to consider before making any judgement. As with the picture in Iran, they're all as corrupted and politically biased as the government itself.

SWS and Pulse Asia survery research firms are widely acknowledged to be independent institutions. Those who make them up are political scientists from the academic community. I'm sure they've made mistakes at some point because we all learn from our experiences but overall, they are respectable and genuine political scientists noted all these years for their integrity and fairness, Ntq and Bob.

  • 2 votes
#5.2 - Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:46 AM EDT
ntq

I'm not sure if you were already born during the Shah's time but if you were, any recollection/comparison?

I was 18 when the Shah was overthrown. I was from an upper-class family and lived in an aristocratic setting in the immediate proximity of the Royal court (Shah's permenant palace). In fact, I used to play soccer with the crown prince and my friends were either American expatriots or Iranian aristocrats. I was 8 when my father enrolled me at a boarding school in England and so my experience of living in Iran at the time of Shah was restricted to short stays during the last quarter of Christmas, Easter, and Summer holidays every year. Nevertheless, as a crazy patriot, I used to closely follow the events in my country (in all dimensions) and, unlike my Iranian friends abroad, I was more or less fully aware of the joys and miseries of my nation. Not to mention the facts and figures exchanged by my parents. In 1979, with the outbreak of the Iran/Iraq war and the desperate call by the new revolutionary-state for voluntary forces, I abandoned my civil aviation course in Oxford (I was trainding as a pilot) and dashed back to my home country to enlist with what was left of shah's military and engage immediately with the advancing enemy in the southern fronts. It was too late by the time I realized that the painful truth behind the whole revolution + the war was far from establishing justice and being sacrificial towards ones country and Faith. Yes, they both had to do with the grab of power; revolution serving as the mean for replacement of the old faces with new ones and the war as a lever for getting rid of the hot-heads (i.e. those who could stand in the way of the newly established regime). "Islam' and "Homeland" were just covers and certainly a useful tool for practicing the evil scenario and accomplishing its filthy objectives. Now back to your question. If in the time of Shah corruption was limited to the Royal Family, now the whole nation is corrupted If in the time of Shah the people were poor but relatively forgiving and honest , now they're better off (in terms of cash and basic services) but strictly unmerciful and adulterous. If in the time of Shah people refused to cheat and lie despite their low standards, now they proudly do all kinds of evil and wrong in the name of Islam and God. If in the time of Shah there was only the secret police (savak) which interrogated and tortured, now its everyone doing it on everyone as means of sucking up to the mullahs for an inconsiderate reward. if in the time of Shah the majority of people were illiterate but wary of the principles of life, now they're all academic graduates totally ignorant of how many peanuts make 5 (as with concern to ethics, manners, morality, social life and so forth). There was nothing good about the time of Shah (the last Iranian monarch) and that of the ones before him just as there's nothing in the post-revolution era worthy of approval. The misadvantages have always been far greater than the advantages. Why? Because that's the nature of these people as one whole nation. They've conciously chosen to be loutish, ill-mannered, unthankful, dishonest and corrupted for the past 5,000 years and their disappointing history is a hard proof of the fact. History's your turf, my friend. Look what's left of that glorious ancient kingdom/civilization. Nothing but 70 million grazing mules in the form of immitating monkeys with huge ambitions but zero capacity and talent. Oh, and of course, with barrels and barrels of oil and easy-earned oil revenue. They don't even have the will and courage to drill it out themselves (thanks to the French Total and, recently, the Russian Gazprom). This country is just a front street ruled by a load of flesh-pressers, mittmen/women , and laydown merchants; all in the Name of the Almighty God. Sorry to crack your ear but you asked for it yourself! :-)

  • 1 vote
#5.3 - Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:10 AM EDT
Jesusa Bernardo

Sorry to crack your ear but you asked for it yourself! :-)

Not at all, ntq. In fact, I find your story really colorful. I mean, would you consider writing a mini-book or something about your experiences? Perhaps, you would need to be less involved or try to operate from a more detached paradigm but it would be an interesting book. I further suggest that you use a pen name or something, for safety purposes.

Why I make the suggestion is because from a historical viewpoint, your country is truly interesting, what with its perhaps partly immoral but nonetheless magnificient ancient history. A book with Shah- and present-day Iran as setting continuum would add to your country's documentation, ntq.

  • 2 votes
#5.4 - Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:17 PM EDT
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ntq

I mean, would you consider writing a mini-book or something about your experiences?

In a world where no one cares to learn from ones mistakes (let alone other people's experiences), I suppose that'll just be a waste of paper and ink.

Why I make the suggestion is because from a historical viewpoint, your country is truly interesting, what with its perhaps partly immoral but nonetheless magnificient ancient history.

That was a generous suggestion typical of a wise decent lady of your genuine nature, Jesusa. Thanks. But as with the "magnificent ancient history", I'm still not sure what you call "magnificent" as a history expert.

A book with Shah- and present-day Iran as setting continuum would add to your country's documentation, ntq.

My country!!? My country is my family and my countrymen/women are all the good guys & gals around the world. I rather play the part of a reader and see what you lot are to document about yours.

  • 1 vote
Reply#6 - Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:18 PM EDT
Jesusa Bernardo

My country!!? My country is my family and my countrymen/women are all the good guys & gals around the world

This shows you're an internationalist, my friend!

In a world where no one cares to learn from ones mistakes (let alone other people's experiences), I suppose that'll just be a waste of paper and ink.

I understand the moral frustration. I have to fight the same feeling constantly, if I'll continue writing here. BUT, documentation, ntq, is always important. You don't need to publish it if you wish, but for the reference of your kids and future generation, and even you in the future for whatever purpose parts of the data might serve, it pays to keep records. The rewards need not be political--we'll never know what purpose records can serve. Just an advise from someone with "history" inclinations.

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#6.1 - Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:33 PM EDT
rqcemanesDeleted
ntq

we learned many things from the past

We might have read many things from the past but certainly not learned anything. Reading and learning are as comparable in concept as hearing and listening.

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#6.3 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:51 AM EDT
Jesusa Bernardo

rcqemanes and ntq:

I agree with your point Jesusa. In fact, that's the reason why until this time we learned many things from the past because of the records and writings of our ancestors and the ancient civilizations.

We might have read many things from the past but certainly not learned anything. Reading and learning are as comparable in concept as hearing and listening

Ntq, I understand where you're coming from, understand the frustration when we wish things will be more moral and orderly. Your statement, however, is a generalization. There are many indeed who choose not to really listen but there are also others who do, or at least learn to listen from the lessons of history at some point in their lives.

There are those who misuse history's lessons while others use knowledge gained from the past to uplift humanity or parts thereof. If the past won't be documented, and properly so, nobody--good or bad women and men, few they may be--will learn anything. And so the evolution of human "advancement" stops.

The question is: Is the present better than the past? There was slavery back then. Now, slavery perhaps come in a different form. Oh well, I have newly developed a personal rule: the more confused I am, the more I should document in the hope that clarity comes later. It's very hard to make records when one is confused or frustrated but we should try.

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#6.4 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:11 PM EDT
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ntq

This shows you're an internationalist, my friend!

Righto!

Just an advise from someone with "history" inclinations.

I can't argue with that. :-)

You don't need to publish it if you wish, but for the reference of your kids and future generation, and even you in the future for whatever purpose parts of the data might serve, it pays to keep records

That's what we're doing on the vine, are we not? It should suffice.

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Reply#7 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:37 AM EDT
Jesusa Bernardo

Related survey articles & seeds:

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No Surprise for the Most Unwanted: Philippines' Arroyo again with Negative Satisfaction Ratings

Arroyo still unpopular among Filipinos - pollster

Majority of Filipinos oppose term extension for Arroyo, et al

Continuing Negatives of Gloria Arroyo - Pulse Asia Survey

Callousness and 7 Years of Gloria Arroyo's Performance Dissatisfaction

2nd quarter 2008 survey shows the lowest performance of Philippine national administration in 20 years

Trust rating of defamed RP ex-President Estrada's at 47%; Controversial Arroyo at 19%

Rousing Majority Want the Most Corrupt Philippine President Arroyo to Resign Now

Philippine President Arroyo's negative net satisfaction rating of -11; FG Jose Miguel Arroyo negative net trust of -37 (September 2007 Social Weather Survey)

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Reply#8 - Wed Mar 4, 2009 3:34 AM EST
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