
Gloria Arroyo: Bogus & fraud Philippine President, says "Hello Garci"
The lying Press Secretary holds two "Hello Garci" tapes
Sen. 'Noted' Kiko Pangilinan seated; beside some other conspiring canvassers?
Fernando Poe Jr. - the genuine 14th President of the Philippines, based on "Hello Garci"
Victim province of poll cheating, tool of a bogus presidency
"Arrobo." Poll cheat should go to jail?
'Hello Garci' voice analysis
Related Gloria Arroyo/"EDSA 2" series:
A homage to Samuel Ong, hero of the 'Hello Garci' expose
Diatribe on Edsa 2--& why God gave the Philippines 'Arrobobastic' Gloria
The Stupidity of the EDSA 2 "People Power" Gullibles Relived
The Truth behind the Philippine Presidency and the 2004 Elections
The conspiracy of Edsa 2: how Gloria Arroyo managed not to let President Joseph Estrada finish his term
ON JUNE 24, 2004, a stealth operation of grave national impact was conducted by the Congress of the Philippines. Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, the controversial sitting President who took power after the popularly elected Joseph Estrada was deposed in the undemocratic EDSA II conspiracy in January 2001, was proclaimed as the victor of the 2004 May 11 elections in a manner that defied the spirit of electoral victory and the essence of a "proclamation." At around 3:30 am--yes, Virginia, at such a still-dusky morning hour when most Filipinos are generally still tucked in their beds--Senate President Franklin Drilon and House Speaker Jose de Venecia raised the hands of Arroyo and proclaimed her "President-elect."
What explains the surreptitious proclamation that ensured the people who were supposed to have given the petite Arroyo the mandate of electoral victory (over "1 M" lead over opposition bet Fernando Poe Jr.) would not be able to share in a supposedly glorious moment is the conspiratorial story of cheating and cover-up sealed at the very halls of the Philippine Congress.
Up until that unprecedented pre-dawn proclamation, Congress was abuzzed with heated deliberations and debates over allegation of massive fraud during the May 11, 2004 polls. The predominantly pro-administration legislators, however, swiftly turned down every protest issue and argument raised by the lawyers and Congress supporters of Poe with the oft-repeated words "Noted" expressed by Senate canvassing committee head Sen. Francis Pangilinan. In the end, Congress, which had turned itself into a joint congressional canvassing panel, elected not to determine the real winner in the 2004 Presidential race by refusing to open the Certificates of Canvass from a few questioned provinces. The frivolous rationale given by the administration allies who made up the majority in Congress was as anomalous as the stealth manner of the 3:30 AM proclamation: it would take a "long time" to finish the canvassing.
Never mind if the questioned COC's would show the real victor voted by the Filipino people. Apparently, the administration solons could not bear to delay the proclamation of their "president-elect"--their presidential candidate they have been allied with since 2001. So, with swift haste and dubious timing, the search for the real victor in the presidential race was killed. Congress proclaimed the controversial Arroyo as "President-elect," to be inaugurated as the 14th President six days later.
The Wiretapped Case of Electoral Fraud
Truth, even political truth, has a way of making itself known, however. Within exactly 12 months since the allegations of massive electoral fraud, tapes of wiretapped conversations would reveal the truth behind the apparently systematic efforts of Congress to cover up the May 11, 2004 and install a bogus president.
The tapes that have come to be known as the "Hello Garci" tapes primarily show the conversations between Gloria Macapagal Arroyo and elections commissioner Virgilio Garcillano in connection with operations surrounding the May 11 elections and vote canvassing. The operations revealed by the tapes were designed to cheat Arroyo's way towards continued hold on power and rob FPJ of electoral victory. The tapes around 3 hours long were revealed to the public through certain hostile members of the Philippine military. They show other voices, including certain military loyalist, and reveal an apparently broad conspiracy of electoral fraud perpetuated by Malacanang, the Commission of Elections and its "citizen's arm" NAMFREL.
The authenticity of the tapes, particularly the authenticity of the voices of Arroyo and Garcillano, has been verified by the companies Uniquest Pty (Australia) and Voice Identification (United States). Uniquest's Brian Lovell, forensic voice expert of note, expressed the professional opinion that "there is no evidence that would suggest that the conversations have been altered in any way from their original recorded form."
The following are the transcripts* of the more "telling" selections of the Hello Garci tapes, alternatively called Gloriagate tapes. The person addressed as "Ma'am" in the conversations, or "Code 1" and "PGMA" by the narrator refers to Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo; the "Gary" in the tapes is no other than the (former) Commissions on Elections officer Virgilio Garcillano. Discussed in the tapes are vote padding and manipulations in the counting , including those on COC's, and the role played by Commission on Elections (COMELEC) officers, National Movement for Free Elections or (NAMFREL), Philippine Army Generals, and "allies" in Congress in defrauding opposition standard bearer FPJ of victory.
Gloriagate No. 2 Delay Senatorial Canvassing
(Conversation between Gary and a female on 11:25 26 May 2004)
Gary: Hello, Ma'am
Female: Hello...,
...Is it possible that there will be a delay in the, the senatorial canvassing until after the voting on the rules tonight?
Gary: On the rules? Ah yes...
Female: ...in the Senate, so there will be no fight. Between two allies, this
...one will of course get mad, the other one, will also get mad for sure...
(line cut)
Gloriagate No. 5 "More Than 1M"
(Conversation between male and female on 29 09:43 hotel 2004)
Female: Hello...
Gary: Hello, Ma'am, good morning again.
Female: Yes, yes.
Gary: OK Ma'am, s/he is higher but will be compensated in Lanao.
Female: So, will I still lead by more than one M., overall?
Gary: Ahh, more or less, it's the advantage Ma'am.
Female: Yes...
Gary: The turnout will appear to be the same. Female: It cannot be less than one M?
Gary: Yes, ma...
...we will try to push that for that. But as of the other day, 902.
Female: Which is why!
Gary: Yes, and then uh, if we can uh, get more in, uh, Lanao...
Female: Is it not yet done? Gary: Yes, not yet supposedly...
...there are still, uhh, the...
...to arrive sev... seven municipalities.
Female: Ah ok, yes, yes...
Gary: Alright
Female: OK, OK, yes, ...OK...
Gloriagate No. 7 Made to Cheat
(Conversation between Gary and One unidentified female believed to be PGMA on 29 1400hrs. May 2004)
Gary: Hello ma'am,
Good afternoon...
PGMA: Yes, yes...
PGMA: According to the other camp, they are planning among themselves (that) they say They are said to have affidavits in their possession--
--from teachers and Board of Canvassers (saying) that they witnessed and were made to cheat.
Gary: I do not have...
where could they have...?
that one earlier, what you mentioned on Pangutaran, it's like this:
it's true that, uh, that what appeared there, FPJ was reversed
...but the canvassing in the province...
...the results--what were put down were also the original - the original results were also the ones put down because of the words and figures were not changed.
PGMA: Mmmm, mmmm.
Gary: It is because they - Gen. Abahacon, is not yet an expert in such a thing, partly they're the ones who did there
PGMA: Mmmm
Gary: uh...The election officer of that, of Pangutaran explained to me also, uh...
PGMA: Mmmm.
Gary:But in the canvass, the Provincial Board of Canvassers said, what was doneā¦but in the canvass, what were instructed by the Provincial Board of Canvassers, were the ones I did ...also his/her original votes, which were counted so there is nothing more...
(line cut).
Gloriagate No. 08 The Addition
(Conversation between Gary and an unidentified female... believed to be... PGMA on 31, 23:17 hotel May 2004)
Gary: Hello, Ma'am.
PGMA: Hello, also the what, the other camp, th...
...they're trying to get their NAMFREL copies of the Municipal COCs.
Gary: From NAMFREL ?
NAMFREL copies ho?
PGMA: Uh-uh
Gary: Ah, there is no more Ma'am, the NAMFREL is OK towards us,
...they are now sympathetic to us...
PGMA: Yes, yes but with this information, does NAMREL match our tally?
Gary: Yes.
PGMA: But that is that... ...the addition, the addition...
Gary: Yes, we, uhh,
...will get in advance uh, our personal copy if that's why they
GMA: Yes, yes, yes.
Gary: OK...
...alright, Ma'am.
Gloriagate No. 13 Maguindanao
(Conversation between PGMA and Gary on 06 1900 hours June '04)
PGMA: Hello.
Gary: Hello Ma'am,
Good evening.
You called?
PGMA: Yes...
...yes. According to Teng, it should perhaps be best if we can ensure that the documents in Maguindanao are consistent.
Gary: Yes, Ma'am. Uhh...yung uh, that...
...it is not really so much of a problem in Maguindanao...
...uh, but what was it that you texted last night as to the presence of uh...fake uh... precincts and I'm supposed to be the mastermind?
PGMA: Yes, yes...
Gary: But Ma'am what Ma'am.. I can't understand what, uh they are trying to drive at... when, uh... 120 days before elections the precincts were already established.
PGMA Ah OK, OK
Gary: Yes.
PGMA: Perhaps what, maybe it is just one shot in the dark. But I'm just letting you know everything I find out so we can always make uh...
...the appropriate remedies, o, yes?
Gary: Yes.
PGMA: OK.
Gary: Uh, General uh, Lomibao is already in Zamboanga...
PGMA: Yes, yes.
Gary: You can tell all the people uh, around us uh, talk to him...
...so that (will be able) uh, they will be able to prevent who is going to work.
PGMA: OK, ok...
...ok, alright. Thank you.
The tapes--and transcripts--speak for themselves. The role of Congress in the cheating or cover-up during the 2004 presidential elections is suggested, if not revealed in the tapes. In Gloriagate tape # 2, Arroyo asks to delay the senatorial canvassing "until after the voting on the rules." Tape # 7 contains the discussion between Arroyo and Garcillano regarding how an instance of the doctoring of votes was not realized at the level of provincial COCs because "the words and figures were not changed" by a General who was "not yet expert" in cheating. Juxtaposing this "Hello Garci" information with how the Joint Congressional Committee blocked the opening of the contested provincial COCs back in 2004, the sinister role played by decadent members of Congress in proclaiming a fraudulent Philippine President becomes clear.
It has been four, tumultuous and corrupt-laden years since the stealth 2004 proclamation of the bogus 14th President of the Philippine Republic. A master of patronage politics, Arroyo has weathered the storms brought about by her illegitimate mandate "not once," but many times over. In fact, she has survived the public outcry that followed the disclosure of the wiretapped conversations, although the disgust over Arroyo's continued illegitimate hold on power is far from over.
Today, June 30, 2008 is actually the fourth anniversary of the proclamation of the 2004 bogus Philippine President. I have decided to give her this Hello Garci "relived" article as reminder that she will always be the Fake and Bogus occupant of Malacanang to the majority of the Filipino people.
*The tapes have been translated from mixed Tagalog and English into pure English
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References
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HELLO, GARCI? : Transcript of Three-Hour Tape. Philippine Center for Investigative
Journalism Site. http://www.pcij.org/blog/wp-docs/hellogarci-transcript-final.pdf
'Hello Garci' wiretapped tape collection YouTube Site.. http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=C694F83058EA891A&search_query=jesusabernardo
An intriguing article.
A well and profoundly articulated and widely researched article. Now I can feel how genuine your long propagated disdain for Arroyo, Jesusa. You are writing from your heart, I see
Either that, or that the Filipinos are so gullible or so manipulated.
The latter sounds more realistic :-) And that goes to all the contemporary nations under current administrations worldwide ( the relative exceptions). In other words, we're almost all corrupted in one way or another; thus, our rulers.
I refuse, however, to believe that all Filipinos are already corrupted
Certainly not with you as a live proof. ;-)
Jesusa
Smart! That's why I've never had the least faith in this silly "election-party". It's a rediculous show world-wide, and in particular, in the developing countries.
We have a native saying "the moon won't remain behind the clouds too long".
It implies to the nature of truth in a sense that it is bound to be revealed sooner or later. No one can get away with cheating. This is the rule of the game and it applies to your leaders as much as it does to ours. All we have to do is to give them time. The time for them to fade away.
who subsequently engaged in one of the most infamous electoral fraud scandals in our country's history. How much crazier can it get?
We've been experiencing the process (the fraud) repeatedly during the past 30 years here in Iran. At least the Arroyo Camp don't do it in the Name of God and His Prophet! These scandals have turned into a routine habit amongst the modern politicians. Perhaps, it's been the same way in the past. It's the essence of "power" and, consequently, the nature of "power mongers" (politicians). They take it (dishonesty) as a sign of smartness and the masses approve by their blind support.
so I believe she deserves something that comes nearer that discussed in your most recent seed
But she ain't have no balls! :-0
She has been sort of a "torturer" of the Filipinos for some 7 years now
How come? Name a few instances of what you call 'torture". I need a better picture before I make any judgement.
Just a point:
Most of the politicians are corrupt here in the Philippines, I know that erape was corrupt as at one time I was friendly with some of his cronies in Cebu. They where corrupt as Hell and they an he where known cronies of Marco's.
The problem here is the country is run by crooks starting from the top down. Efforts to stop corruption are totally impossible as this is the way the Philippines work. I get mad at the fact that the leaders try to show they are holy than though it reminds me of the Mafia.
By shoving one crook aside one just opens the door for another to move in to take the rich pickings. It would take more than a prayer (if a God exists), it would take a bloody big miracle for things to change and to eradicate this big poverty trap.
Many poor Filipino's have lost heart and want to get far away from this country. Others just give up some knowing they have no chance at bettering them self's because they or their families could not afford to seek further education after elementary school.
I see poverty each and every day and only the very determined get off their backside just like my partner did to find work or sell small amounts of farm products etc and pay for their own education. Wow and that's a big achievement if your just 12 years old thetas why I am so proud of Ann my partner.
Being involved and interested in politics and its analysis in my own country (UK), after eight years of observing how politics work here in the Philippines it took me no time to realise its a completely different kettle of Fish. That prior to the handover by USA there where politicians that rightly said that Filipino's could not govern their own country.
One of the senators here quoted something to the tune of: Its better we create a hell by governing our self's than have a Paradise govern by America. One should always be careful what you wish for, the proof of the pudding many years of self governance.
You may beef about GMA, but when she is off the throne your also be beefing about the new leader and please be careful what you wish for. Out of the frying pan into the fire.
All elections are rigged and votes are paid for not one of these presidents have not been un involved in election rigging on a small scale or a large scale. Each and every time their is an election we here politicians argue that the other side rigged the vote. Marco's was proved to be the most corrupt president of all times. GMA could only be class as being in second place let get perspective here. Buying votes is the norm.
Erap had great following because he was normally a hero on the silver screen, in real life he was corrupt and there was solid proof of that. It was presented at court and through the fog one could see there was no smoke without fire.
We will always differ on these points but on the point that the Filipino's deserve a much better government that is not corrupt and its interest being the peoples interest, we would agree most firmly.
But at present be careful what you wish for.
Bob, are you saying all Phil. presidents cheated their way to the presidency, or to their earlier elective posts? If so, most Filipinos could call that a nasty statement. To say that all the presidents who occupied Malacanang didn't have the mandate of the people can be taken as an insult to the nation
Are those the people that took the small bribe to vote for them, come on face up to it local and republic elections are rigged some where along the line, Ballot boxes are raided ballots are exchange. That's why so many lawyers are involved and elections take forever over the accusations and recounts.
Elections have always been full of scull thuggery the Mayor my partner was working for husband and son was killed in two of these crazy elections. We are talking about crooks on both sides of the table.
By this, you admit that Erap have won his elections fair and square. Which is a fact. I know you're aware of this--that Erap's election in 1998 represents the only uncontestedly legitimate assumption of the Philippine presidency in a post-Marcos era.
No I don't
the way your suggesting, my meaning is the people that voted in a normally crazy vote rigged election (both sides do the rigging, its a battle of who can do it better) were duped they thought he could never be corrupt as they had seen him in the movies. But I am not saying he won his election on the fact that vote rigging went on put on his film star popularity.
There is a joke going around amongst the British ex-pats here:
Its the Philippine should declare war on Great Britain, with in 5 to 10 years the Philippines would be like Hong Kong. lol
Your wish to have the opposition party will only lead to different crooks running the country.
One thing I like GMA for is that she stopped the death penalty
I'm sorry but I think your bias
I hate GMA and her crooks how the hell can I be Bias.
Your the one that's Bias in thinking Erap is practically a saint and I beg to disagree because I do really take a center point view of which most foreigners that live in the Philippines mainly do.
Its my understanding that this happened:
On January 17, 2001, the impeachment trial of President Estrada moved to the investigation of an envelope containing crucial evidence that would allegedly prove acts of political corruption by Estrada. Senators allied with Estrada moved to block the evidence. The conflict between the senators, judges, and the prosecution became deeper, but Senator Francisco Tatad requested to the Impeachment court to make a vote for opening the second envelope. The vote resulted in 10 senators in favor of examining the evidence, and 11 senators in favor of suppressing it.
Had this envelop been open and Estrada had proved it to be rubbish then I would be on your side of the argument.
Also this:
All 11 prosecutors in the Estrada impeachment trial resigned, following an 11-10 vote by the Senate the previous day to block a key piece of evidence. Sen. Tessie Aquino-Oreta, one of the three female senators who voted for "NO" (no for opening of the envelope), was seen on nationwide television and most people had the impression that she was dancing joyfully as the opposition walked out. This further fueled the growing anti-ERAP sentiments of the crowd gathered at EDSA Shrine, and she became the most vilified and accursed of the 11 senators. She was labeled a "prostitute" and a "concubine" of ERAP for her dancing act. Sen. Defensor-Santiago was also ridiculed, as the crowd tagged her as a "lunatic" (it came from her reputation of being overly intelligent).
Philippines politics is very dirty and that's a fact. Not opening the letter show Erap is part of this corruption thing he is no angel. If he did not get caught plundering GMA would of never been on the seat of power.
see you haven't been updated. Or choose, as usual, to focus on Erap's fault and ignore the much greater sins of Arroyo.
When the envelope was opened after Edsa 2, even Sen. Pimentel (remember his anti-Erap stance then) even expressed frustration at its contents. NOthing incriminating for Erap
Please use you brain! If there was no evidence with in the letter and erap knew he was not guilty of any corruption whatso ever why didn't want to open the letter. If he had he would of still remained in power. I think that erap thought there was solid evidence within that letter if there was not he would of smiled and opened it. But by not openning it he showed that he was as guilty as hell. That letter is the indicator to the fact he was involed in corruption and I am pretty sure that GMA husband was also involved.
Yes GMA is corrupt so what! The government has always been one of the corruptess governments in the world. Marco's however was the most currupt president and dictator the Philippines has ever seen. However you claim the GMA is corrupt have you seen her bank statements? lol Yes she did fix or tried to fix the last election but so did the oposition but because of her power over comelet she won.
Her husband has shown he could be corrupt, have you seen his bank statements? As like you I would like to see GMA impeached but not because I surmise she is corrupt but because she fixed the last election. I would then want an investigation on her and her husbands bank accounts and business transactions. Its only then if proof is provided of corruption she can be declared corrupt and the size of the money she has stole or made from this corruption is the concluding factor on making possible statements she is the most corrupt president.
Fiddling votes is called cheating lets get it right. Yes there is proof she cheated and lied. No solid proof so far she is corrupt. Hopefully your next article will give solid proof. and I am interested in the bank statements and those shady deals that proves corruption.
I am not Bias to anything other than the truth, of which I try to prope from the propaganda and indoctrination. Thats what good citizen Journalism is about.
I got news for you I have not adopt GMA and never said I had, however I am not looking a claims but want to see facts.
You behaving like a political activist your answers show that you are the political pawn, something that I am not I am certainly not brainwashed by any forms of brainwashing I should know that as I write about its dangers.
I completely hate Filipino politics and all these political clans that hold this country to ransom, they are all corrupt, corruption is deeply embedded here. I have been asked to bribe and that is a thing I really do not like to do.
Erap is no better than the rest of them they are all crooks, so do not try to tie me down under a pigeon hole that suites your propaganda task.
I am central point and what ever your twist and turns in answer to my comments or false acquisition's readers here can see my center point reactions and statements. Black is not white.
If you want to change your president (NOT MINE) at least approach the reason fairly, All I am seeing here is attacks with at this present moment with out clear solid evidence only that she fiddled the last election which is called CHEATING and not CORRUPTION.
Then you try to pour water over the fact that most politicians try to cheat here in the Philippines.
If your going to mention the bad things that GMA lets have a balance of the good things she has done for the country.
Why is it I see no fair play here on your column? No fair and complete analysis just a one sided bias point of view. That's not what good journalism's about its about having a center point opinion. Your just issuing propaganda as a political activist.
I have said all I need to say on this subject and I will leave it to your readers to judge what I have said through out this debate.
I really am sick of having words placed in my mouth about opinions I simply do not have and political leanings that I simply do not have and to favouritism I really do not have.
Its like talking to a brick wall that states "I LOVE ERAP" and "GMA IS THE MOST CORRUPTED PRESIDENT (we have no solid evidence we will just make it up and people will believe it, because we said it so), lol
I am out of this non debate please let me know when you have solid proof on the lines of the Marco's fiasco. Of course he still has a following of people that love him and state he was innocent. lol
The Philippines is a crazy place some times I think I am living amongst a lunatic asylum where logic thinking is thrown away. Its very amusing but some what sad.
So I am stepping out before the same insanity infects my thoughts being that of the center line. Thanks for the debate but not for the un-logic reasoning or the insults to my neutrality.
Her camp has used and continued to use God and the church as arguments for her power grab and continued hold on power.
She's asking for it then.
Perhaps, when I have the time, I will provide you with the links to Arroyo's sickening acts of religious hypocrisy and atrocious claims of divine will re her presidency.
I look foward to that.
I don't actually mean castration. I just said something near the punishments discussed in your seed, which include the capital punishment, right?
Right. I was just kidding.
Filipinos hungrier, more activitists dead, made corruption worse by her most corrupt ways (a national survey by a reputable firm adjudged her the "Most Corrupt President in Philippine History"!)
Strange. That's what people used to say about Marcus. Has there been any instance of crushing street protests?
One other thing. Does the "MORO FRONT" still exist? i mean, is it still active? If so, what exactly are its ideals (objectives) and to which part of the society do its supporters (followers) belong?
Ta :-)
Sorry I took a long time to look at this article. Its very factual but all these dam politicians are corrupt on both sides of the fence. If GMA was impeached another corrupt leader would step on to the throne.
These political clans are crooks they are in politics for its rich pickings and sod the poor until its election time where many are bribed to vote for the highest bung giver. The only thing that would sort this country out is a revolution. Place all the politicians including the local ones in Jail or against the wall and shoot them (a bit blood thirsty I know).
There is no other way to beat this corrupt governing system as they the crooks have insured that non corrupt people can serve the people. Its a dead loss where as even those that write about the corruption in local newspapers are often killed to silence them.
However I love this dam place and that's one of the reasons I live here.
The only thing that would sort this country out is a revolution. Place all the politicians including the local ones in Jail or against the wall and shoot them
By Iranian experience, I would say that only spreads the virus. :-)
By Iranian experience, I would say that only spreads the virus
whats that to do with the price of eggs, different country and different religion.
A complete blood bath of all the corrupt political clans would be the only answer but of course being a compassionate man I would be completely against treating the trash in such manner. But it still the only answer I can think of that world work.
But this is the Philippines what I say will never happen these people will struggle and poverty will remain and increase. The rich bastards here really do not care and do not want the corruption to stay, I minority of rich people are opposed to this.
This is not Iran and the cultures are very different and I know them well as I have lived here for eight years and studied the politics here very well.
The rich bastards here really do not care and do not want the corruption to stay, I minority of rich people are opposed to this.
The rich are the root of corruption. Otherwise they wouldn't have been rich. And as with you, you're not rich. You're new-rich. There's a lot of difference between the two; the first, being corrupted and the latter, super-corrupted. Good day, old man.
I am not rich I live on a British two military pension I could make more money but I am not money driven. With my spare cash I help where I can mainly sending to school or helping youngsters to get a better education here in the Philippines. I wished I could do more.
I am not rich I live on a British two military pension I could make more money but I am not money driven. With my spare cash I help where I can mainly sending to school or helping youngsters to get a better education here in the Philippines. I wished I could do more.
Smart. In that case, you're Richard. Far better than being rich.
cheeky and I am not a complete dick,lol
cheeky and I am not a complete dick,lol
Certainly not, sir. Now, back to your comment "what's that to do with the price of eggs", all I could say is that the term "Filipinos" and "Iranians" is a mere imaginative boundry when it comes to comparing the basic needs of the 2 nations as human beings (i.e. regardless of their national/cultural identity). I admire the fact that "revolution" is the necessity of the state of human perfection. It's the way people constantly get the concept (revolution) wrong with "rebellion". They're two completely different events. Your notion of putting them against the wall and wiping them out is a "rebellious" process (an open. organized, and formidable arms resistance to constituted authority) as long as it's not supplemented with total revolt in the state of the minds and souls of the revolutionaries and their followers (the nation). It's crucial that we stop getting the two wrong. ("Rebellion" vs. "Revolution"). "Revolution" with principally sad and regretful consequences is typically the result of this misconception. It's a false claim. No matter if it ends in the final overthrow of the government or not. That's not revolution. That's just a miserable experience of spreading the virus (including the "corruption" genome). It's nothing I would recommend to any nation. :-)
ops mistaken in my analysis these things happen sorry. I agree
I am not rich I live on a British two military pension I could make more money but I am not money driven. With my spare cash I help where I can mainly sending to school or helping youngsters to get a better education here in the Philippines. I wished I could do more.
Thank you for your courageous and constructive attitude,sir. As a second best marksmen and a dedicated cadet serving tours of duty and CCF expeditions and trainings with the Royal Army (1970-8), I must admit that some of my most immaculate lifetime friends are, in fact, amongst the brave and prudent members of British Military; namely, Captain Ollie Ormiston of the 1st Battn Royal anglain Regt. & Captain James Shaw of the Grenadier Guards. They are my old school (Bedford School) colleagues and are currently serving their tour of duty in Afghanistan. Ollie is commanding Heavy Weapons platoon while James is Company second in Command, helping to train Afghan National Army. My best wishes go to you 3 gentlemen and your esteemed families.
Thank you ntq, seemingly that both Captain Ollie Ormiston and Captain James Shaw and their families require more attention than myself I am just an old gentleman in a safe haven. Where as both of these officers are on active duty at the risking their life's in a senseless urban war. I truly hope that they are safe and that they get home safely after their tour of duty.
It is a duty that some times one disagrees with the reasons for but professional soldiering is a job and a sworn dedication to defends ones country and to serve the Queen. In fact its controlling and respecting fear that keeps soldiers alive in a battle zone, when under fire one has no time for fear only for plans and collective action to neutralise the enemy. Ridged training and good discipline helps keep a soldiers alive.
I would never look at myself as a brave man. I am however a survour and someone thankful that others watched my back that made that feeling of fear subside a great deal.
Since I have left the British Army my hatred of guns in civilian hands and the arms traders has increased. I do not trust politicians and the politics that's bred by corporations such as the oil conglomerates. In my later years I have become a peace activist, of whom see's a need for armies in a homeland defence mode but not going to war for corperate interest and only for a real need to obtain world peace.
My best wishes go to their wives and families that are waiting back at their home base listening to news daily praying that their love ones come home safely in one piece.
My heart warm thanks and wishes for a happy future to you and your family and peace be with you.
We'll drink to that, Babel. Sparing energy and effort for the course of peace is, by far, the most important and closest task to the hearts of high-minded (far-sighted) individuals. God bless you.
same to you and may peace one day exist on this small pebble we are lucky to live on and dismayed at those that want to spoil it because of their greed and hard hearts.
The kids shown were about toddler-year or so age.
Shame. Big shame. I'm awfully sorry to hear that.
Yet the rich people walk pass hungry kids in the street daily and the less unfortunate poor filipino will give them food or a few coins.
This has been going on since the Americans left, its not new, it will get worse if somethings not done about addressing birth control with free vasectomy's etc, plus firmer control on food prices and raising wages. GMA has tried to make it easier for foreign business to open up in the Philippines but due to the senators scratching their rear ends and accusing others of plunder and corruption this of course puts of foreign investment as well as the corruption at local governance level.
In other words, you're claiming that GMA and the congressmen are patriotic or responsible officials of the Philippine Islands
No you are not read everything that I stated.
I really did not want to say anything more here because my words and meaning have been twisted. I really do not like debates where people jump the truth with a red herring and do not answer the questions in a sensible fashion. I am looking at Filipino politics from the center point trying to be fair to both sides of the political arena. I have seen all the propaganda thanks from both sides of the arena.
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But still, Babel Fish could not recognize these torments and afflictions to the Filipino people. There must be a reason. I want to guess one, Babel Fish is afraid of deportation. Hahaha.
Where have I said that? really do you think that my train of thought and research and the fact I live here speak the local language and do not see the torment of the opposition, the people here in the visays seemingly love GMA at the moment and in my partners words "she maybe corrupt but she is less corrupt than the rest".
Babel Fish is not frightened of deportation I am a world traveller already considering a move to live in China, Shira lanka or maybe India. At present I am learning to speak Chinese, in the other places they speak English. I have obviously the money for the airfare, China would be my first choice because Shenzhen is a much more civilized and modern place to live in. Its just as cheap or in fact slightly more ecomical and there I do not feel like I have a dollar sign printed on my forehead.
The people that are worried I might be deported are those that rely on my support and friendship. Other than that there is very little keeping me here as I am a single man on my last adventures of my very interesting life and experiences.
You're again right Jesusa. We all thought then that Marcos was the worst President, to our dismay, Arrobo is not only the worst of the worst but the most cunning and devious one. She appears to the people as though she is the holiest but deep inside her is like a scaly old snake ready to bite you though appears to be tamed outside.
Who are you to judge are you God, lol
Marcos holds the position of being the worst and corrupted president (Guinness book of records,lol), where as GMA has not been thoroughly investigated every thing mentioned here is ear say and rants from her opposition, I have often heard this saying "In the eyes of God a person should not be judged and till proved guilty". Yes there is solid proof she Cheated the election. I know there is no smoke without fire but we have yet to find the fire.
Yes GMA is most probably corrupt but lets not over do the size of corruption because she is in power and you want rid of her because of her possibly corrupt ways. She certainly looks to be corrupt as most of these politician's do.
I agree she should be removed from power as erap and Marcos was as the Filipino people do not deserve such corruption or cheating. But the propaganda that she is the most corrupt is making a mountain out of a mole hill considering the wealth the Marcos family cheated, swindled and embezzled out of this poverty stricken nation. The scale of that has never been beaten, seemingly conveniently forgot concerning this articles debate.
Christians love telling the truth and seeing the truth I also love that trait.
I hate any propaganda of any sort and to my mind we are seeing much propaganda here in the Philippines and it should not mush our minds to the fact that mostly all these politicians here are corrupt and willing to lie and cheat, yes the devils spawn. Why is this so alive in a Catholic and Christian society? I can not hazard a guess.
That's my last word please feel free to murder my opinion as I will only turn the other cheek
Yet the rich people walk pass hungry kids in the street daily and the less unfortunate poor filipino will give them food or a few coins.
And think they're being very charitable!
This has been going on since the Americans left, its not new,
Good point. It's, to a great extent, the aftermath of colonism.
GMA has tried to make it easier for foreign business to open up in the Philippines but due to the senators scratching their rear ends and accusing others of plunder and corruption this of course puts of foreign investment as well as the corruption at local governance level.
All the reasons why "foreign investment" - even when it's established - does not yield any benefits for the masses in developing countries. It's more or less the same picture here in Iran, Richard. That's why I've learned not to place the blame utterly on the rulers. The nation is just as guilty.
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